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The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Post by ehnto »

luckylion wrote: post #45
eertami wrote: post #20

>Broadband speeds, red tape – EU red tape force down broadband speeds, May 2016 I know all of these are nonsense, but this one is particularly funny to me. In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.)

> In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.) That's probably not because it's a "European city", but because it's a city in some specific European country. The UK has similar average broadband speeds compared to e.g. Germany.

As much as internet access is a national infrastructure project, it does come down to the physical bits and bobs that connect your house to to the network. Sometimes you're just not on the right street for it, your house is old, the exchange is full, or your council/utility company don't want to foot the bill to tear up a road and replace old copper. The reasons are myriad.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Post by juki »

zepto wrote: post #2

It doesn’t seem to show which publications these were in. Some of these headlines only show up in this article itself, when I Google for them. Without knowing what the sources are and what the articles say, there is no way to make sense of this list.

The actual site (see the archive link by antientropic) has sources for them.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Post by La1n »

temp8964 wrote: post #37
jonathanstrange wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing authoritarian about dispelling myths. These were not about opinions, they concerned literally false claims about EU directives and regulations.

Lol. EU doesn't have NGO can do this? The government has to be the one to run the Truth department?

I don't see a difference in paying the salary of people to do it in your name, or funding a NGO and indirectly paying the salary of the people who do the work.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

luckylion wrote: post #45
eertami wrote: post #20

>Broadband speeds, red tape – EU red tape force down broadband speeds, May 2016 I know all of these are nonsense, but this one is particularly funny to me. In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.)

> In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.) That's probably not because it's a "European city", but because it's a city in some specific European country. The UK has similar average broadband speeds compared to e.g. Germany.

Germany does poorly compared to the rest of the EU, so that's not an indicative comparison.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/sep/02/uk-broadb...

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Post by mschuster91 »

foepys wrote: post #50
luckylion wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.) That's probably not because it's a "European city", but because it's a city in some specific European country. The UK has similar average broadband speeds compared to e.g. Germany.

Germany is hilariously behind other EU nations in regards to internet access and connection speed. After plans for FTTH got scrapped in 1983 (!!) Germany is still using copper telephone lines for the vast majority of its internet users. While fiber is slowing being deployed there are still voices that oppose it because it's "too expensive". There are still entire industry areas connected over a single 50/10 MBit DSL…

> While fiber is slowing being deployed there are still voices that oppose it because it's "too expensive".

Former trench digger as a sub for the Telekom here. It is extremely expensive to build out fibre trenches - rural areas simply because of the vast distances and the comparatively few users and urban areas because the underground area is filled meaning you can't use excavators below 20cm depth and have to do everything by hand.

For the US people asking "why don't go aboveground" - The US way of laying cable aboveground doesn't fly here... in rural areas you don't want to have car crashes take down service lines, and in urban areas cable poles are seen as eyesore.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Post by foepys »

mschuster91 wrote: post #66
foepys wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany is hilariously behind other EU nations in regards to internet access and connection speed. After plans for FTTH got scrapped in 1983 (!!) Germany is still using copper telephone lines for the vast majority of its internet users. While fiber is slowing being deployed there are still voices that oppose it because it's "too expensive". There are still entire industry areas connected over a single 50/10 MBit DSL…

> While fiber is slowing being deployed there are still voices that oppose it because it's "too expensive". Former trench digger as a sub for the Telekom here. It is extremely expensive to build out fibre trenches - rural areas simply because of the vast distances and the comparatively few users and urban areas because the underground area is filled meaning you can't use excavators below 20cm depth and have to do eve…

The question is: is it more expensive than getting lapped by other countries because the industry cannot keep up in regards to digitalization (also known under the marketing phrase "industry 4.0")?

It's incredibly sad to still have to look up how internet connectivity is going to be when you move. In a high-tech nation as Germany, I should be able to expect a fast internet connection in every house to be able to work from home. Especially because plans for FTTH were made in 1981 and got scrapped only because of corruption.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Post by tim333 »

coldtea wrote: post #5
radicalbyte wrote: post #3

The EU is evil because it protects children :facepalm: * Playgrounds, safety – EU safety directives to ban playgrounds, trapeze artists and bagpipes, Aug 2005 * Playgrounds, safety – Safety rules force the closure of UK playgrounds, Oct 2003 * Playgrounds, safety, speed limits – Speed limits to be enforced on children’s roundabouts, Oct 2004 * Playgrounds, safety, swings – A village has to remove its swings due to sa…

I could give you tons of bogus euromyths, but this is a legit complaint. How about "overprotecting children by closing down playgrounds is evil"?

The excessive "health and safety" people justly complain about is kind of a British speciality.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Post by temp8964 »

wormik wrote: post #59
temp8964 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. EU doesn't have NGO can do this? The government has to be the one to run the Truth department?

If it would be EU sponsored NGO doing this, you would argue it's a department of truth proxy wouldn't you?

Of course. I assume there are concerned citizens in the EU can do this. Why does the government need to get involved in this?
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