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Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by panny »

andybak wrote: post #205
umeshunni wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only repressive government moderation when someone else does it. When it happens in the US, it's "policing hate speech".

That's a fair argument but only if you embrace the logical conclusion of the stance you are taking. If you are arguing for unbridled free speech then fair enough (Personally I wouldn't but we can have that conversaion). If however you have your own feelings about sane limits on free speech - then you can't take this position without someone else using your argument against you. It's fine to make these kind of grand s…

>If you are arguing for unbridled free speech then fair enough (Personally I wouldn't but we can have that conversaion).

It's just words. Sticks and stones... What I see on social media platforms is a UX made to require moderation. Once upon a time, the user had the power to ignore people with the click of a button. "Don't feed the troll" was common wisdom. If Alex Jones or anyone else said something you didn't like, you just ignored them and never hear them again.

All the "gamification" of social media made everyone participating in social media into "gamers" who throw tantrums and their little joysticks when they "lose" points. Just like when you got your ass beat playing Mortal Kombat. Then moderators, like parents, come in to scold you and give you a timeout/suspension/whatever.

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Post by edoceo »

Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #175
ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

Penistone and Scunthorpe and now Memphis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcZdwX4noCE As much as I dislike Twitter (I only really use it for work reasons) they are in a no win situation. They either moderate what people post with a flawed system that will never be 100% or be hounded by the "Why won't anyone think of the children" group.

No win? With hella bank roll and their engineering staff? BS.

They've got a path forward but their management needs to see a new model - and they are not innovators/disruptors anymore. Prognosis: twitter will rot more for next 2-5 years and management won't notice till the ticker is affected. It will take a bit for consumer sentiment to reflect. Then we'll see a new CEO, some shake-up and grand announcement. I hope in that time tho a new challenger emerges.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by tom_mellior »

JdeBP wrote: post #160
billrobertson42 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't appear to be locked now.

Apparently the company has very recently tweeted that a "bug" causing this has now been fixed.

"The company" hasn't tweeted about this either at https://twitter.com/twitter or https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport. Link or it didn't happen.

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Post by rospaya »

cbozeman wrote: post #165
ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

There is no way to moderate the entire world. The sooner everyone alive accepts this, the better off we will be. The values of a Black lesbian female software developer who grew up in San Francisco and went to Stanford will never be compatible with the values of a Hispanic straight male Marine officer who grew up in San Antonio and went to Texas Christian University and has been deployed to 17 different countries. Ho…

That's a very American way of thinking, just the kind of reasoning that allowed Facebook to almost destroy your democracy.

I'm aware that discussing free speech on any platform is a fool's errand, but at some point somebody has to say that making people angry is profitable and facilitated through the US concept of giving anyone a platform to say anything with very little consequences.

And the last four years really showed how far it can go.

> They can exist because both of them are going to HAVE to learn how to engage with one another

People never ever learn. Wearing a mask has become a political struggle, people literally rather died than wore a piece of cloth just because they looked at it emotionally and not rationally, like you software dev and Marine officer would.

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Post by duskwuff »

rodgerd wrote: post #196
GhostVII wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not have user curated and shareable blocklists? So if I never want to see anything from Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopoulos and the like, I just subscribe to a blocklist that eliminates far right commentators. You could even create networks of trusted users where anyone they block, is blocked for everyone in the network. Or have shareable rulesets, like "block anyone who uses this word", or "block anyone who follows…

You could probably get some value from https://secateur.app/ but there are also various blocktogether the groups.

BlockTogether shut down in January, after Twitter disabled the APIs it used.

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Post by tom_mellior »

cbozeman wrote: post #165
ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

There is no way to moderate the entire world. The sooner everyone alive accepts this, the better off we will be. The values of a Black lesbian female software developer who grew up in San Francisco and went to Stanford will never be compatible with the values of a Hispanic straight male Marine officer who grew up in San Antonio and went to Texas Christian University and has been deployed to 17 different countries. Ho…

> They can exist because both of them are going to HAVE to learn how to engage with one another

You're assuming good faith from both parties. Harassers and trolls don't act in good faith.

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Post by JasonFruit »

faeyanpiraat wrote: post #181
JasonFruit wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a Twitter account anymore, so I couldn't test it.

Wrong! You can always create an account! This is a completely legitimate reason to do so.

I don't think that's at all a healthy response, given my history.

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Post by tom_mellior »

dkarras wrote: post #219
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not enough. Twitter constantly showes me nudes that are liked by some people I follow. I hate this feature. They should be an option to limit your feed only to the people you follow, but it is unlikely we'll see it because it contradicts the platform aim to increase engagement, by hook or by crook.

I think that feature exists unless I am imagining things? There should be a ... button on the top of the tweet and there should be something like "Not interested in this tweet" there. When you click it, I think it says "show fewer tweets by X" and there should also be an option to see fewer of the likes / retweets from a person. But in reality, in twitter, like is a soft form of retweeting and users know it. So if so…

The feature exists, but it doesn't work. Repeatedly asking for "fewer likes by this person" doesn't visibly reduce the frequency of those likes being pushed onto you. The whole thing is a stupid misfeature: Likes are not retweets, so they shouldn't behave like them.

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Post by fortyseven »

GhostVII wrote: post #121
ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

Why not have user curated and shareable blocklists? So if I never want to see anything from Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopoulos and the like, I just subscribe to a blocklist that eliminates far right commentators. You could even create networks of trusted users where anyone they block, is blocked for everyone in the network. Or have shareable rulesets, like "block anyone who uses this word", or "block anyone who follows…

> Why not have user curated and shareable blocklists?

Not a fan of this.

I've found myself banned a couple times, only to find out I likely got caught up someones blocklist that put out a large blanket block on anyone friends with someone who followed someone else. Or some similar indirect nonsense.

The idea being you're isolating yourself from someone who's friends with an asshole, so you're less likely to encounter someone you don't like.

And if innocent people get caught up in the dragnet, then so be it.

I found this incredibly unfair, and not really smart, either -- not every "follow" is an endorsement. :P

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Post by refenestrator »

onion2k wrote: post #212
cbozeman wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way to moderate the entire world. The sooner everyone alive accepts this, the better off we will be. The values of a Black lesbian female software developer who grew up in San Francisco and went to Stanford will never be compatible with the values of a Hispanic straight male Marine officer who grew up in San Antonio and went to Texas Christian University and has been deployed to 17 different countries. Ho…

However, they can and do exist on the same platforms. They can exist because both of them are going to HAVE to learn how to engage with one another, even though their existences are completely incompatible and utterly different. How are those two people's lives on social media incompatible? There's a million things they could have in common - a love of tacos, a band to talk about, a shared joke about a dumb celebrity…

"invalidate existence" can do a lot of work though if you're sufficiently motivated.

There are a lot of 40-60% popular views that invalidate someone's existence according to certain parts of twitter.

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