Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account • Hacker News Board

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by GhostVII » Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

Why not have user curated and shareable blocklists? So if I never want to see anything from Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopoulos and the like, I just subscribe to a blocklist that eliminates far right commentators. You could even create networks of trusted users where anyone they block, is blocked for everyone in the network. Or have shareable rulesets, like "block anyone who uses this word", or "block anyone who follows this account".

Of course you could create huge echo chambers that way, but that happens anyways when you curated your followers, so I don't see that as a huge issue. Just now in addition to deciding who you follow, you also decide who you block.

Twitter (or whatever platform) would still be responsible for eliminating bad actors (spammers, people posting illegal content) but other than that could just let users curate what they see on the platform.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by delecti » Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

Does it only happen if you tweet the word by itself, or even in context?

I actually enjoy Twitter so I'm not willing to test myself. :P

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by ivan_gammel » Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

offby37years wrote: post #98

ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

Thankfully, as seen in Russia and India, those thousands of cultures have no wish to be moderated by the self-anointed SV elite.

The moderation by Russian government isn’t something I would wish to any culture.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by lamontcg » Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

h2odragon wrote: post #62

ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

Killfiles worked for usenet

What worked for Usenet was contacting the "sysop" of the node the user was posting from, usually upenn, and getting them to have a chat with the user and/or ban them. If their admin wasn't responsive, contact the upstream of their site.

Decentralized policing of users and having one responsible "moderator" per a few hundred users.

Then the internet was opened for commercial use and we got Eternal September and Canter and Siegel.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by billrobertson42 » Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

J253 wrote: post #22

Ugh...I have a HN Twitter bot that just tried to post this and it got locked. https://www.twitter.com/hackernewstop10

It doesn't appear to be locked now.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by thaumaturgy » Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

Traster wrote: post #29

I love the sheer number of hacker news commenters saying “Well I tried it, seems to work”. At what level do you guys go “I’m just going to assume those 10 other guys aren’t lying”

This is neat to look at from a psychological perspective. I bet there's a pretty good correlation between the people who see everyone else go, "yep, works as reported" and decides to try it for themselves anyway, and people who aren't easily convinced by research or science in other subjects.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by X6S1x6Okd1st » Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

GhostVII wrote: post #121

ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

Why not have user curated and shareable blocklists? So if I never want to see anything from Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopoulos and the like, I just subscribe to a blocklist that eliminates far right commentators. You could even create networks of trusted users where anyone they block, is blocked for everyone in the network. Or have shareable rulesets, like "block anyone who uses this word", or "block anyone who follows…

I started to build this out, but the twitter api access grants are basically all or nothing and that dismayed me enough to give up

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by monkeybutton » Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #118

MattGaiser wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At what level do you guys go “I’m just going to assume those 10 other guys aren’t lying” For something easily testable? Never. Edit: Account just got locked, lol.

I think I should put up a lever that gives people an electric shock, charge admission, and set up a live stream. I bet the lever will be popular.

I can imagine the reaction video tiktoks already!

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by TeMPOraL » Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

pfraze wrote: post #79

h2odragon wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Killfiles worked for usenet

I’m curious, How were those killfiles different than muting or blocking on Twitter? Usenet was a little before my time.

It's like muting users. Or muting messages by topic. Essentially a more advanced and useful technology than any of the social networks offer today.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by njharman » Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

Yep. Censorship doesn't work. At least not centralized censorship at scale.