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Post by hackeraccount »

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #122
bb123 wrote: post #103

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Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

I have no idea why but the EU/Brexit is one subject where HN comment quality falls apart. I would have assumed most people here are Americans, so not really emotionally invested in their 'side'. But this comment section is full of Twitter hot take type stuff.

Foreigners and foreign countries can be proxies for domestic arguments. My favorite example is how the ancient Romans would talk about the non-Roman "barbarians." It might be they described them as they were but it's more likely they used them to make a point about what was wrong with their contemporary Roman society.

The barbarians are good, loyal and brave. They don't spend their time with cultural frivolities like theater, bathing and running a shop.

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Post by aembleton »

gmac wrote: post #270
dash2 wrote: post #258

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> OK, so the problem is that I find it basically impossible to understand how a well-informed and rational person could come to the conclusions you've come to. That is indeed a problem, but it is your problem. If 48% of people support anything , there must be some reasons for it. You're right about the consensus among economists. At the same time, 10 years ago there was a consensus about the virtues of free trade. Th…

> That is indeed a problem, but it is your problem. If 48% of people support anything, there must be some reasons for it. Sure, and I think the most palatable conclusion is that a very large number of people are not well informed. If you look at UK news outlets — what they choose to report, how they choose to report it, and the interests of the people who own them — this doesn't stretch credibility very much. > Also,…

> The UK outside the EU is not.

Why not? Australia is smaller and just stood up to them.

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Post by hackeraccount »

dansimau wrote: post #200
bb123 wrote: post #148

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In the spirit of keeping these comments high quality I'd love engage with you about this. Why do you think that? I'm actually a dual citizen of the UK and Australia and I have to say my experience is that neither country is anything like the US. (Beware when assuming you know who you're talking to on the internet ;) )

I grew up in the city in Australia. Once when I crossed the road (as a pedestrian) at a red light, a police officer on the other side of the street stopped me and gave me a warning for jaywalking. Before I had walked, I had looked both ways and deemed it safe; there was no traffic and no other pedestrians waiting. (In my mind: I am just a person on planet Earth, trying to get from position A to position B, less than…

As a person living in an east coast city in the USA I can assure you - no worries just sprint across the street; no one cares.

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Post by callamdelaney »

gmac wrote: post #241
callamdelaney wrote: post #192

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The difference is that the referendum was stacked against leave in every conceivable way. For example, the remain campaign had £6m more to work with. On top of this the government spent £9m on pro remain leaflets and social media advertising. Add onto this the fact that the government wheeled out every 'expert' it could find to constantly cry about how bad brexit would be - most of them were lying (Mark Carney, Georg…

I already wrote a lengthy reply to one of your other comments. I don't have the time or energy to write a detailed rebuttal to this one, and I'm beginning to wonder whether you're arguing in good faith. But on your WW2 point, I did think about it for a minute. Britain fought WW2 for 6 years, 1939 – 1945. Brexit has no known endpoint. Imagine that even 10% of the trade impacts we've seen since the end of the transitio…

Those statistics were later revised by the Bank of England, after the damage was done obviously, so I guess you're wrong.

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Post by aidos »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #240
aidos wrote: post #64

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Not that I voted for this, but what’s done is done. And now that it is, I’d personally like to take the wins where we can get them. Hoping we see the light, and the blight that is the cookie law goes the way of the dodos.

The cookie law is like those plaque disclosing tablets you can chew to figure out if you are brushing right. If your teeth turn out blighted all blue/purple, you generally don't blame the tablets. ;-)

Ha! Following your analogy ... then you just discover that everyone’s teeth are purple and you’re struggling to concentrate on what they’re saying because it’s distracting. Meanwhile, nobody’s teeth got any cleaner.

It’s really just theatre and on balance it makes the internet a crummier experience.

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Post by aembleton »

gmac wrote: post #279
Nursie wrote: post #257

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> The EU isn't perfect, but you'll struggle to argue that it hasn't expanded peace, prosperity and human rights across the continent. Is it necessary for the UK to stay in for this peace to continue? Would you like to talk to some of the southern states about the expansion of prosperity that has come along with monetary union? > There's a consensus amongst economists that immigration makes us financially better off.…

> There's a consensus amongst economists that immigration makes us financially better off. >> In aggregate, not individually. Great for those of us in the middle classes, but I have a lot of sympathy for those who see their low wages effectively pegged to minimum wage There are two arguments here: 1. If an aggregate gain isn't being redistributed so we're all better off, that's a failure of the tax and benefits syste…

> "all come to the conclusion that the effect of low-skilled migration on low-skilled wages is zero"

I haven't watched the video yet. But does she address the BoE paper? https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/working-paper/2015/the-impac...

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Post by Nursie »

gmac wrote: post #279
Nursie wrote: post #257

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> The EU isn't perfect, but you'll struggle to argue that it hasn't expanded peace, prosperity and human rights across the continent. Is it necessary for the UK to stay in for this peace to continue? Would you like to talk to some of the southern states about the expansion of prosperity that has come along with monetary union? > There's a consensus amongst economists that immigration makes us financially better off.…

> There's a consensus amongst economists that immigration makes us financially better off. >> In aggregate, not individually. Great for those of us in the middle classes, but I have a lot of sympathy for those who see their low wages effectively pegged to minimum wage There are two arguments here: 1. If an aggregate gain isn't being redistributed so we're all better off, that's a failure of the tax and benefits syste…

I've not time to watch a video now, but I would say that your second point isn't universally accepted - https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/th...

"Empirical research on the labour market effects of immigration in the UK suggests that immigration has relatively small effects on average wages, with negative effects on low-paid workers and positive effects on high-paid workers."

I'm going to presume that page is well sourced as it's associated with Oxford University.

I don't disagree that many of the reasons people voted for Brexit were things that could have been addressed by the UK government in various ways. But they weren't, and Brussels Buck-passing was practically a parliamentary sport. Perhaps that can end now.

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Post by hnlmorg »

aembleton wrote: post #262
hnlmorg wrote: post #202

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No it's not fitting. You don't make trillion pound economic, social and political decisions based on the whim of a popular vote. At least not unless you have powerful allies in the media and a personal interest to gain. Which is the real crux of the referendum was about. It was never about us regular folk and entirely about the self interests of those in charge. We were just pawns in a much larger game of power. Let'…

All of the parties apart from the SNP promised a referendum in their manifesto. The Green party and the Liberal Democrats had it in theirs for about a decade. The referendum was advisory, so it would have been possible for parliament to vote not to enact article 50. But parliament voted for it.

> All of the parties apart from the SNP promised a referendum in their manifesto. The Green party and the Liberal Democrats had it in theirs for about a decade.

Not all the parties did. Labour, for example, also didn't. The Greens have always been fiercely pro choice so a referendum falls within their remit and LibDems have often flip flopped around the issue of Europe depending on what seems the most popular alt-vote at the time. Then you have the right wing parties who are naturally nationalistic. But many of the left-wing nationals (like SNP) were pro-Europe.

This is all moot though because my point wasn't who supported the EU but rather the Tories motives for the referendum.

> The referendum was advisory, so it would have been possible for parliament to vote not to enact article 50. But parliament voted for it.

Indeed. But that is another tangential point too. I do have opinions as to why it wasn't treated as an "advisory" vote but those are just opinions so I'll refrain from clouding the debate.

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Post by Nursie »

chocmilk wrote: post #278
dash2 wrote: post #233

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> Quiet Australians accept authority moreso than UK folk. This is so far from my stereotype of Aussies that I feel sure it must be a troll, designed to bring out a legion of shirtless, shrimp-barbecuing cobbers, turning the air blue with their feelings about authority.

Aus's acceptance of authority: * Lockout laws * Jaywalking laws * Weaker environmental protests than UK, despite Aus lagging the rest of the world on environmentalism. * Mandatory helmet laws. * Illegal to perform DIY electrics, e.g. change a plug. * International travel currently banned. To leave Australia at the moment would require either exemption, or I relinquish citizenship. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005…

> Illegal to perform DIY electrics, e.g. change a plug.

??

As someone moving to Australia in a few months, I feel like this is something I ought to know about...

> International travel currently banned.

This is the same in many countries, including the UK right now.

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Post by pydry »

bb123 wrote: post #274
pydry wrote: post #227

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#1 The UK has habitually towed the line on most American endeavors in a deferent way. The invasion of Iraq was one extremely clear example. The phrase "special relationship" which is bandied about a lot embodies this deference. #2 The UK has departed from the trading bloc it does 60% of its trade with. It desperately needs new trade deals outside of it. Since America is the biggest economic bloc outside of Europe and…

The idea that U.K. tows the line on US endeavours in a way that countries like Canada and Australia don’t is absurd. Canada and the US share an enormous border and it’s often joked that Canada is like USA-lite. As for Australia - you may be right, as they’re too busy towing China’s line instead. (Although that didn’t stop them going into Vietnam).

The idea that they don't also tow the line IS absurd and I would never claim that.

Nonetheless you can measure each country's contribution to the Iraq War as a rough proxy for how much they supplicate. The UK contributed by far the most of the three while Canada's involvement was minimal.

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