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Post by simonh »

arethuza wrote: post #184
simonh wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a start the people who actually rule - the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers. When it comes to business leaders, they're as divided as everyone else. A lot of businesses do extensive trade with the EU and stand to lose. The finance industry particularly risks losing a lot of business, although there are some sectors of it that might gain it's mostly through trading on short term volatility. They'll…

"the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers." The Conservatives have a majority and are there any Remainers left in that party - I thought most of them had been purged before the last election?

We're talking about how the decision was made. At this point most of them have resigned themselves to the fact it's happened and we need to get on with it, as have I frankly.

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Post by vmception »

bb123 wrote: post #103
vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

Mostly due to shock.

The shock of their financial sector leaving.

The shock of getting pitiful trade negotiating.

Being unprepared with anything to offer for negotiating leverage.

The domestic identity further polarizing and inability to form consensus.

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Post by ploika »

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #122
bb123 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

I have no idea why but the EU/Brexit is one subject where HN comment quality falls apart. I would have assumed most people here are Americans, so not really emotionally invested in their 'side'. But this comment section is full of Twitter hot take type stuff.

I actually think it's because so many people here are Americans that the hot takes on the EU don't fall foul of the "no political battles" rule as often as they should.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

arethuza wrote: post #130
noir_lord wrote: post #120

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I was strongly remain, 48% of us where, if the vote had been a year later it could quite easily have been 52/48 the other way. One wonders if remain had one if the leave campaign would have accepted "The vote was clear, put up with it and shut up". I completely understand why EU governments would be absolutely fed up with the UK government though. Sadly my generation (40 and younger) are going to have to live the con…

Nigel Farage made it clear that he wouldn't accept 52-48 as being decisive: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-3630668...

Of course, and that would have been absolutely fine. Democracy is to be able to campaign for what you believe in.

But equally, politically, and democratically, it is not tenable to call a referendum (which is something quite rare in the UK) and then to ignore the result. So the reality is that the government and Parliament had to abide by the result even if the referendum was legally not binding.

Now people are of course free to campaign for the UK to join the EU.

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Post by rich_sasha »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #55
boomskats wrote: post #40

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It's unclear whether the 'they' you refer to are the British people, or the class of ruling individuals who know exactly what they're doing and are set to profit immensely. (I'm aware that all sounds quite America-like already)

> or the class of ruling individuals who know exactly what they're doing and are set to profit immensely. I'm really not sure about that. I agree that may be the case with some of those ruling individuals. My impression is that Johnson doesn't believe in anything, except his personal interest and profit. Others in that cabinet, however, really appear to be true believers.

My impression with politics is that after years of doing it, politicians easily confuse ideas being popular and 'worth supporting'.

A bit like a supercritical fluid, where transition between liquid and gas occurs spontaneously.

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Post by bb123 »

zimablue wrote: post #183
bb123 wrote: post #116

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I agree. I didn't vote for Brexit but it is hard to see how the pro-Brexit crowd haven't been vindicated with the vaccine roll out.

Britain handled corona one of the worst in the world, the vaccine thing does seem like a genuine good news story but it’s bolting the door after the old people are all dead. Go back, look at the excess death rates, the extra preparation time the Uk squandered and the rhetoric at the time. Our ruling class have the blood of hundreds of thousands of dead on their hands and it’s astonishing that the entire British publi…

My point wasn't that COVID was handled well, although I think there are more factors than government at play (It would be pretty hard to argue that the US govt has handled COVID better than the UK, so why is there death rate so much lower?).

My point was that it is plain to see that the vaccine roll out in the EU has been mired by competing interests and slow bureaucracy, which is exactly what the eurosceptics were claiming is wrong with the EU in 2016. Thus the vindication.

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Post by pydry »

bb123 wrote: post #103
vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

#1 The UK has habitually towed the line on most American endeavors in a deferent way. The invasion of Iraq was one extremely clear example. The phrase "special relationship" which is bandied about a lot embodies this deference.

#2 The UK has departed from the trading bloc it does 60% of its trade with. It desperately needs new trade deals outside of it. Since America is the biggest economic bloc outside of Europe and because they're big and we are small they have the leverage and that means we start abiding by their rules.

#3 There were plans leaked on how this would be done with the NHS (e.g. deliberately hamstringing the NHS's ability to negotiate drug prices). They kept them secret from the public.

To be frank, your comment seems borne out of a kind of appeal to moderation rather than particular knowledge of UK domestic politics.

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Post by dash2 »

hnedeotes wrote: post #107
dash2 wrote: post #6

YIPPEE. Does this mean no more of those stupid little popups every time I see a site? HOORAY. Does it mean less absurd bureaucracy and non-jobs? GREAT. As for data privacy... does anyone seriously think that Facebook was stopped from collecting data due to GDPR?

From my experience, unless I'm missing something, they're annoying because they're not that well implemented, maybe even on purpose? Sites where I have granted access keep asking me to re-grant no matter what. Sites where I have denied do the same (although here I would expect it, not that I agree, since I already clicked "no"). And actually it's cool, sometimes you go to some docs and there's 33 "essential" cookies…

I think you're absolutely right. But I also think it was predictable. If we trusted the companies to do the right thing, we could have done that without GDPR. So OK, they live off advertising, they want to track, so now they just use dark patterns. What's next? Yet more regulations about exactly how to show this fundamentally annoying consent question? I just want to browse the internet!!!

Sometimes people talk about technological solutions to social problems. I think here the tech solution (like tracker blocking) kind of works, like I can use it on Firefox or Safari and it doesn't waste my time; and the legal solution is a failure.

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Post by Daho0n »

throwaway210222 wrote: post #213
Daho0n wrote: post #189

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All those are "fading away" in every area of enterprise I have seen that deal with private data. When GDPR is causing US states to follow suit and create GDPR-like laws I'd say it is the US's woefully bad privacy laws that are fading the most. Of course I don't believe for a second that it will matter inside the US but that is not the EU's problem.

With secret FISA courts, the is no way you will ever be able to know. You have no idea who they have approached, nor what they have asked [= insisted] for. And to be clear, because of the CLOUD Act, this reaches all EU citizens on US owned platforms.

Sadly this is the state of things which is why privacy shield isn't there anymore.

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Post by 7_my_mind »

shubb wrote: post #167
sverhagen wrote: post #62

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I have no doubt you're right, but I'm just not familiar with the specific details. What are some real ways they stand to "profit immensely"?

There are some theories in the UK that are close to conspiracy theory. Many leading brexit proponents are rich people who made their money from the collapse of the soviet union and have assets largely outside the UK. One conspiracy theory is that they are attempting to crash the UK economy in order to buy the dip, make money from shorts and the sell off of state assets. Another conspiracy theory is that brexit has an…

There was no grand conspiracy and no master architects of chaos. It was simply a meme that got out of hand. It started out as a sentiment, a set of ideas that I would call liberal chauvinism. Then anti-immigration got on board. Then the Tories tried to win the anti-immigration folk back, but instead got swallowed by the BREXIT movement, along with a big chunk of Labour.
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