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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by dragonwriter »

jmull wrote: post #639
Proziam wrote: post #551

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I personally have very mixed feelings about Trump as a whole. On the one hand, I didn't vote for him. I see him as divisive and as an obstacle for progress on real issues that I personally care about. However, he has done a few things that I have sincere appreciation for. Primarily, we made significant gains towards peace in the middle east by negotiating treaties in the region. Another point in the win column (leadi…

> I find it difficult to attribute him to either party. When your mental model is persistently at odds with the way things work out in reality, you need to reexamine your mental model. Trump thinks he’s a Republican. A large majority of Republicans enthusiastically agree. I don’t know what you mean by “attribute” but however he got there, Trump is very definitely a Republican. It might help to recognize that a politi…

> Trump thinks he’s a Republican.

Trump thinks its useful to be seen as a Republican, just as he formerly saw it advantageous to be seen as a Democrat and for a brief time (his first Presidential campaign, coincidentally also the first where the Reform Party nomination would have let him funnel federal matching funds as well as donor funds into his own businesses) as part of the Reform Party.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by dublin »

likeafox wrote: post #665
argvargc wrote: post #345

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On Gab daily. Never seen a single Nazi. Seen some unorthodox/thought-provoking views for sure, but that's part of why I visit and one of the same reasons I visit HN.

Andrew Anglin, operator of The Daily Stormer is famously one of the biggest 'influencers' to move to the original Gab platform, and he remains fairly active there. Gab's front page has been tuned over time to be less egregious, but I have been poking around the site for a long time and remember when even in logged out view the home page would be a lot of altright / TDS type of posts filled with general /pol/ tier tak…

So what? If you happen to see an obnoxious Nazi posting, simply mute them and move on with your life.

Personally, I usually don't even do that, because it's useful to occasionally comment on their posts (which are a tiny, tiny fraction of Gab's content) to point out to them that Nazi totalitarian tyranny is in no way preferable to socialist/Communist totalitarian tyranny.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by dragonwriter »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #798
dragonwriter wrote: post #791

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> No one will argue free speech for that, because you're now consuming someone else's resource (time, mobile minutes, etc) when they explicitly told you not to. All of the arguments for “free speech” against platform content policies are exactly arguing for consuming someone else's reseources against their expressed direction, so it's provably false that that is sufficient to prevent people from arguing for entitleme…

In that case, the rights of the (private) service provider are in tension with those of the (also private) individual, so it's a matter for legislation and the courts. Congress has passed laws protecting the speech of the individual within certain types of service providers, i.e. telecom/ISP/website publishers.

> Congress has passed laws protecting the speech of the individual within certain types of service providers, i.e. telecom/ISP/website publishers.

Telecoms, yes, ISPs and Websites, no. FCC adopted regulations under statutory authority it saw as allowing, but not requiring, thatnfor ISPs, but later retracted them. Websites have liability protection for hosts for user content specifically to encourage host moderation of user content, rather than creating an entitlement against such moderation.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by 4ggr0 »

nix23 wrote: post #763
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Judging by your plethora of flagged and greyed out comments, I think I'm not the only one with that problem.

Judging by your and others ignorance and one-sided thinking, i hope you the best with your blm, cancel culture, your 100k health bills and your two redundant party system the best of luck.

Not from the US, but thanks for wishing me luck anyways.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Proziam »

edmundsauto wrote: post #800
Proziam wrote: post #799

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California has among the least efficient and effective governance models on the planet, overall. Switzerland also has a direct democracy, but they make it work quite well for them. Notably, they've seemed to enjoy just not doing what the EU wants. They've kept their own money, maintained military neutrality, and also maintained an extremely well-armed population. Implementation probably matters more than the model. T…

I'm not well read on the subject, but you appear to know what you're talking about. What do you see as the crucial differences (especially structural) between the two implementations?

This topic gets complicated fast but it boils down most simply to:

1. Options in representation. California is essentially a single-party state. Switzerland has substantially more options in this regard.

2. California is freaking huge, Switzerland is not. Because of this, you have dramatically different interests between different regions in California contrasted with more homogeneous needs in Switzerland.

3. The population of Switzerland is not nearly as diverse as California. They speak several languages there, but overall you have a group of people with very similar cultural and historical values.

4. This point would require a small novel, but in essence California abuses the system to go around the process rather than go through it. You could describe this as the contrast between cooperative governance (Switzerland) and adversarial governance (California).

In short, if we stuck with George Washington's suggestion to lower the maximum size of congressional districts to one representative per 30,000 people, California might be in better shape. It probably would have also been beneficial to listen to Alexander Hamilton when he called parties “the most fatal disease.”

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by notacoward »

Proziam wrote: post #521
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #449

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> by worldwide standards America actually ranges from center-right (Democrats) to far-right (Republicans) OhBoyHereWeGo.jpg It's stupid to try and condense the political ideology of the US (or almost any nation) down to one spectrum and then try and map that onto the rest of the world when we (and the rest of the world) have a lot of ideology based on "well party X took position Y because party V had position W back…

From my point of view as an American who has lived in Europe (Sweden, later Germany, and the UK) my framing of the US political situation is as follows: Democrats tend to be authoritarian and pro-centralization of power. Republicans tend to be anti-authoritarian and pro-decentralization. Both major parties have a long history of deep corruption. They've essentially colluded to rob the American people blind. Unfortuna…

That's a ridiculous oversimplification. Republicans tend to be anti government power, but A-OK with other kinds - notably both Big Business and Big Church. I guess that qualifies as anti-authoritarian in the sense that "authority" and "power" aren't exactly the same thing, but that's not a particularly useful definition IMO. It's more a difference of opinion about which kind of coercion is worse.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by splintercell »

uniqueid wrote: post #15
akyu wrote: post #9

Ratting people out to the government is hip now... crazy times.

Gab is a site that caters to hate groups. I guess the targets of their hatred take it personally. That seems rational to me.

And if other side hears these arguments and considers it to be an equal justification to the similar behavior but to your side?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by hackinthebochs »

knz_ wrote: post #774
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>You are insinuating that trans people are not human, which is abhorrent. This is boneheaded and obnoxious. The question of whether a transperson's personal identity reflects reality has nothing to do with whether a transperson is human.

> This is boneheaded and obnoxious. No it isn't. You are overtly arguing that trans people should be killed.

This is the only issue where this sort of silly hyperbole is common and tolerated.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by edmundsauto »

Proziam wrote: post #805
edmundsauto wrote: post #800

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I'm not well read on the subject, but you appear to know what you're talking about. What do you see as the crucial differences (especially structural) between the two implementations?

This topic gets complicated fast but it boils down most simply to: 1. Options in representation. California is essentially a single-party state. Switzerland has substantially more options in this regard. 2. California is freaking huge, Switzerland is not. Because of this, you have dramatically different interests between different regions in California contrasted with more homogeneous needs in Switzerland. 3. The pop…

Points 2 and 3 don't seem to be things we can modify. Are they barriers to an effective implementation, or will the increased size + diversity be more friction but not a blocker?

For points 1 and 4, those sound like symptoms to a more rudimentary problem. I don't know what that problem is, but my guess is its something systemic and structural.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Proziam »

edmundsauto wrote: post #809
Proziam wrote: post #805

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This topic gets complicated fast but it boils down most simply to: 1. Options in representation. California is essentially a single-party state. Switzerland has substantially more options in this regard. 2. California is freaking huge, Switzerland is not. Because of this, you have dramatically different interests between different regions in California contrasted with more homogeneous needs in Switzerland. 3. The pop…

Points 2 and 3 don't seem to be things we can modify. Are they barriers to an effective implementation, or will the increased size + diversity be more friction but not a blocker? For points 1 and 4, those sound like symptoms to a more rudimentary problem. I don't know what that problem is, but my guess is its something systemic and structural.

Points 1 & 4 could be solved either via elimination of the party system (unlikely) or if one of the several initiatives to break up California succeed (also unlikely). Simply put, the problem is that when you have one party in control there's very little incentive for them to work cooperatively with the people.

Points 2&3 are could also be solved by dividing the state up so that each region could self-govern. Given that this is unlikely, I have a hard time imagining a solution. It's extremely hard to make "city folk" understand what's going on in rural areas, and vice versa. Worse, our current political climate is such that demonizing the other group is seen as a morally acceptable thing to do, almost always without really understanding them in the first place.

The first step to solving these problems in California is to close the political divide and get the people to work together to establish better representation.

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