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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by anoonmoose »

pid_0 wrote: post #578
ghostpepper wrote: post #566

Why is the second sentence of this article about how the CEO of Gab used a Transphobic slur? It kind of seems like the author threw that in there to make sure the reader agrees with their political views, but the article doesn't say what the slur was, and I don't think the author would defend the idea that being transphobic makes it okay to hack a person's website, but it kind of feels like that's the point implicitl…

He said “trannies” I wouldn’t say it’s a transphobic slur. He said it to clearly piss off people though. The ceo sounds like a very secure, happy person with no mental problems. Also, transgender issues aren’t political. Modern monetary theory can be political. Immigration policies are political. Human rights are not political. I’m not a liberal or anything, just a rational person.

If you don't think it's a transphobic slur I highly suggest you talk to some trans folks about what is or is not a transphobic slur, because I can almost guarantee that they'll tell you it's a transphobic slur

(yes the politics of the Rocky Horror Picture Show have gotten a bit weird in the last ten-fifteen years)

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by jfengel »

toolz wrote: post #611
hanche wrote: post #604

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As Karunamon said in a sibling comment, labels facilitate reasoning. Yes, labels have their inherent risks, especially such vague labels as left and right (as applied to politics). But we live in an age of political parties. It seems we can't do representative democracy without them, for better or worse: And given that, we need a language to talk about parties' politics in broad terms. And then we inevitably come up…

>labels facilitate reasoning this is the claim, what is your supporting reasoning? >we need a language to talk about parties' politics in broad terms Why? Why should we strive to generalize something so inherently complex and impactful as policy. >once fronts harden and the tribal impulse sets in I'm not understanding how simplistic labels can contribute to anything other than this outcome.

It's about more than just reasoning. It's about coalitions. There is one fundamental label: every vote has exactly one winner. Whether it's a law or an election, there is a single outcome. The law passes or not; one person wins the election. Either way, they need at least a plurality, if not a majority.

The more dimensions there are, the more you need to make allies to reach that bar. Nobody exactly agrees with you on all things. In order to get them to vote for your things, you need to agree to vote for their things. There's no other way to achieve it.

Policy is complex and impactful, but in the end a decision gets made. The goal is to make a decision that most people can live with. That's the best you can hope for. And you achieve that by assembling a group who support each other. That group is a real thing, regardless of the label you put on it. You're either part of that group or you're not, and you have to live with the outcome.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by ttt0 »

Schiendelman wrote: post #652
ttt0 wrote: post #513

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> The Nazi symbol in the stage of their event? ...and Gmail, Facebook and Chrome logos are masonic symbols. You've somehow managed to delegitimize Wikipedia with those stupid claims, congratulations.

The Charlottesville protestors used that symbol explicitly (see link). CPAC hasn't come out with a denial that their stage was that shape intentionally. If it wasn't, they would have. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-oth...

> The Charlottesville protestors used that symbol explicitly

Okay, so what? Should I start adding all the random incidents where people made something that was coincidentally shaped like swastika to the Wikipedia article as examples of modern usage?

> CPAC hasn't come out with a denial that their stage was that shape intentionally.

They did, they called it slanderous.

> slander (noun) - the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation

CPAC cancelled some black dude for anti-semitism. They didn't do that after he was saying anti-Christian and anti-white stuff, only after he started saying that Judaism is illegitimate or whatever. But yes, I'm supposed to believe that they're using Nazi imagery on purpose.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by mint2 »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #77
Turing_Machine wrote: post #54

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Hmm... so in your opinion, back in the days of the Hollywood blacklist, when Louis B. Mayer decided that he wasn't going to buy any more screenplays from communists (or anyone who even had friends who were communists), that was perfectly okay? "Freedom of association", right? The truly bizarre thing about the "woke" movement is that they seem to have absolutely no conception that the stuff they're doing to others can…

Touched a nerve, didn't it? You might be surprised at how fast this kind of thing can turn around.

Weird how people keep trying to warn the left of some slippery slope argument that is if a company deplatforms literal neonazis today then lgbt, progressives or what have you can easily be tomorrow!

Like another comment mentioned, it’s mind boggling that those making these arguments think those on the left aren’t aware of censorship, legal and societal, given how recently one could be persecuted for being too left and labeled a communist or arrested, ostracized and more for being lgtb.

I don’t believe those making the arguments actually believe the surface facade of pointing out “unconsidered information”, so there must be some alternative purpose to the argument. It almost be like trying to constantly remind someone who was shot and also lost someone of how dangerous guns are and that’s why even violent felons needs gun.

It’s also arguing victims should be glad they are continuing to be victimized and that they should help and defend their attackers.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by likeafox »

argvargc wrote: post #345
_r0fz wrote: post #271

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> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them Correct. We hate nazis.

On Gab daily. Never seen a single Nazi. Seen some unorthodox/thought-provoking views for sure, but that's part of why I visit and one of the same reasons I visit HN.

Andrew Anglin, operator of The Daily Stormer is famously one of the biggest 'influencers' to move to the original Gab platform, and he remains fairly active there. Gab's front page has been tuned over time to be less egregious, but I have been poking around the site for a long time and remember when even in logged out view the home page would be a lot of altright / TDS type of posts filled with general /pol/ tier takes.

And though the main feed / explore page is not quite as openly tilted toward that audience today, the 'groups' features not one but three QAnon groups, which appear to be some of the largest on the site.

In short - if you've been looking at Gab's content since their inception, it be hard not to see activity from some prominent altright/stormer users, and there remains a large quantity of both weird political extremism and general cultism promoted at the top level of the site.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by jki275 »

Schiendelman wrote: post #651
jki275 wrote: post #464

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Stop it. There was no fucking nazi symbol on the stage at cpac. If you want to take a tiny group of extremists that are not accepted by a group and pretend they represent a group, we can do that the other way also.

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One can always find whatever bullshit one goes looking for.

Nobody at CPAC made up a stage out of a nazi symbol. Some people made up a narrative to fit a false conclusion they created and produced in the media.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by _-david-_ »

colesantiago wrote: post #241
jl6 wrote: post #158

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https://terfisaslur.com/

trans women are women. period.

This is highly debatable. In 100 years if an anthropologist was looking at the skeleton of a trans person they would beg to differ. If a doctor was looking at the DNA they would beg to differ.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by skynet-9000 »

timsayshey wrote: post #527

I've been following Hacker News for over a decade and my sense of the community is that it has always been overwhelmingly pro free speech at any cost (even in the cases where it would protect something outright illegal). Now I'm hearing from many in the same community that free speech has been "weaponized" and must be controlled for the greater good. What happened? Seriously.

Things change; the liberal become illiberal.

Twitter used to be "the free speech wing of the free speech party"[0]

The American left used to stand up and fight for free speech. Only eight years ago, the ACLU defended the KKK in court.[1]

0. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitter-still-free-speech-win...

1. https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-em-defends-kkks-rig...

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by [deleted] »

faitswulff wrote: post #582
timsayshey wrote: post #527

I've been following Hacker News for over a decade and my sense of the community is that it has always been overwhelmingly pro free speech at any cost (even in the cases where it would protect something outright illegal). Now I'm hearing from many in the same community that free speech has been "weaponized" and must be controlled for the greater good. What happened? Seriously.

Well...there was the small matter of a violent insurrection at the Capitol Building by people who variously: flew the Confederate flag, believed Democrats eat babies, refuse to believe the results of the election, all of which are nonsense beliefs or causes that were magnified on social media. At some point people in general - and HN in particular - have to decide when to rein in bad actors crying wolf. Otherwise the…

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Schiendelman »

ttt0 wrote: post #663
Schiendelman wrote: post #652

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Charlottesville protestors used that symbol explicitly (see link). CPAC hasn't come out with a denial that their stage was that shape intentionally. If it wasn't, they would have. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-oth...

> The Charlottesville protestors used that symbol explicitly Okay, so what? Should I start adding all the random incidents where people made something that was coincidentally shaped like swastika to the Wikipedia article as examples of modern usage? > CPAC hasn't come out with a denial that their stage was that shape intentionally. They did, they called it slanderous. > slander (noun) - the utterance of false charges…

They called the attack on them slanderous. Interestingly they didn't actually deny it.

This is exactly how dog whistles work, dude...

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