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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by toolz »

hanche wrote: post #604
toolz wrote: post #504

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Useful to what end? So that people can easily label an idea such that tribal followers can quickly decide if they are on board? I can't think of great applications, only negative outcomes from such a simplified labeling of people and ideas.

As Karunamon said in a sibling comment, labels facilitate reasoning. Yes, labels have their inherent risks, especially such vague labels as left and right (as applied to politics). But we live in an age of political parties. It seems we can't do representative democracy without them, for better or worse: And given that, we need a language to talk about parties' politics in broad terms. And then we inevitably come up…

>labels facilitate reasoning

this is the claim, what is your supporting reasoning?

>we need a language to talk about parties' politics in broad terms

Why? Why should we strive to generalize something so inherently complex and impactful as policy.

>once fronts harden and the tribal impulse sets in

I'm not understanding how simplistic labels can contribute to anything other than this outcome.

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Post by milkrocks »

pid_0 wrote: post #578
ghostpepper wrote: post #566

Why is the second sentence of this article about how the CEO of Gab used a Transphobic slur? It kind of seems like the author threw that in there to make sure the reader agrees with their political views, but the article doesn't say what the slur was, and I don't think the author would defend the idea that being transphobic makes it okay to hack a person's website, but it kind of feels like that's the point implicitl…

He said “trannies” I wouldn’t say it’s a transphobic slur. He said it to clearly piss off people though. The ceo sounds like a very secure, happy person with no mental problems. Also, transgender issues aren’t political. Modern monetary theory can be political. Immigration policies are political. Human rights are not political. I’m not a liberal or anything, just a rational person.

Transgender issues are political when the government forces you to use made up terms like Xe/Xim or they/their instead of him/her to appease the mentally ill at the risk of being fined or jailed.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by anoonmoose »

ParadiseEclipse wrote: post #607
anoonmoose wrote: post #563

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Well for starters I downvote anyone talking about the number of up or down votes any post has

so, senseless downvoting then?

HN guidelines: "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."

I agree, and I vote accordingly.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by toolz »

hanche wrote: post #609
toolz wrote: post #601

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How do labels facilitate reasoning in this context? If a politician, for example, says that universal basic income would empower poorer people to become larger contributors to the economy thus having a strong ROI while raising quality of life (all of this is hypothetical I don't care to debate UBI here) - I'm lost on how knowing whether this is a left vs right policy is beneficial to anyone trying to decide if this i…

You put your finger at an important point there. When applied to a single policy, labels can indeed get in the way of reasoned discussion of the policy. I think the labels are more useful as applied to the entirety of someone's political outlook. But if we were to apply labels to UBI, I imagine that the left would mostly be in favour, and the right would mostly be against it. Ideally, everyone should consider the not…

I think you're arguing my point for me here! If we don't immediately try to label something with simplistic labels people would be forced to reason about the policy based on merits rather than labels (or just not consider it at all, which I contend is entirely better than making decisions based on tribal labels)

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Post by yoav »

AzzieElbab wrote: post #600
x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #561

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Not even close. No one was talking about Obama splitting the party and seeking revenge against ideological bedfellows after serving only one term.

no one but the press is talking about it now either

Actually prominent republicans who have left the party over Trump are talking about it https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AB07P

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Post by smt88 »

timsayshey wrote: post #519
smt88 wrote: post #470

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Please provide an example of someone who was sent to jail for protesting (and only protesting) at the Capitol on Jan 6. They must not have committed any of the following crimes: calling for violence, assaulting another person, or destroying public property. My girlfriend had at least 3 family members there who went, marched, and went home. None of them were tracked or charged with a crime.

They were definitely tracked: https://www.wusa9.com/article/features/producers-picks/fbi-t...

You're right, and that is an abuse of technology.

Still waiting for an example of someone being charged and convicted for peaceful protest.

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Post by dagmx »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #234
dagmx wrote: post #229

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All the "conservative" policies you listed are currently being championed for by the left however.

Who is responsible for cancel culture? Tech censorship? "Believe All Women"? Who is calling for a new War on Terror targeting the domestic population?

Cancel culture is just a right wing word to deflect from accountability

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

djfobbz wrote: post #557
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #499

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This post is a lot of FUD with no citations.

1. Katie Couric on the need to "deprogram" Trump Voters https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/19/katie-couri... 2. MSNBC Nicolle Wallace suggests Drone Strikes on US soil to combat Trump cult aka inciters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU5hw9H7htc

So one is from a leftist journal condemning their own (thanks for the context! I’m glad the leftists are policing themselves from violence it seems!) and the other is a clip? What about the multiple paragraphs about trans people?

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Post by soundnote »

thamidolide wrote: post #453
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #449

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> by worldwide standards America actually ranges from center-right (Democrats) to far-right (Republicans) OhBoyHereWeGo.jpg It's stupid to try and condense the political ideology of the US (or almost any nation) down to one spectrum and then try and map that onto the rest of the world when we (and the rest of the world) have a lot of ideology based on "well party X took position Y because party V had position W back…

Anyone who is genuinely left wing will easily recognize that neither party in the US represents their interests.

I don't know if "genuinely left wing" is a useful phrasing.

Leftism and rightism are little more than broad, inchoate moral intuitions that are ultimately given concrete form and specific content by ideologies, philosophy and realpolitik.

For example, economic class-driven socialism and wokeness will conflict with each other but both are driven by a thought pattern that's descended from Marxism. Gendercrit feminists and the woke, same thing, but both more or less want to strangle each other.

On the right, you get can have Nietzsche-influenced hyperindividualist überman strivers and a kind of communitarian neo-trad thinking. Both clearly rightist, both in tension with each other. The GOP and the aforementioned localist Christian tradheads are definitely against each other, but not leftists.

List goes on. I'd consider the woke ideology genuinely leftist, it's just not very genuinely pro the little guy, pro the working man. Many traditional Marxists are certainly tearing their hair out from what I've read some.

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Post by goatinaboat »

nix23 wrote: post #587
goatinaboat wrote: post #540

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puritans/white european invaders were quite racist and violent from the moment they landed on Plymouth rock and began stealing from / killing Natives I guess I can't keep up with the shifting terminology, are natives considered blacks now then? Isn't that supposed to be BIPOCS? Actually if we are talking about slaves, then native Americans had been enslaving each other for centuries before Whites or Latinx arrived.

>native Americans had been enslaving each other for centuries before Whites or Latinx arrived. So had the peoples in africa: >>Very few Americans know that slavery was common throughout the world as well as in Africa, says Sandra E. Greene, History. https://research.cornell.edu/news-features/curious-history-s...

So had the peoples in africa:

Oh dear, we have strayed from the narrative and now the Californians are here

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