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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by mrow84 »

thu2111 wrote: post #436
arethuza wrote: post #390

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"This is not how politics work in the rest of the world." A lot of the debate around Brexit in the UK worked exactly that way - on both sides.

I feel that's disingenuous. It wasn't the same way on both sides. This kind of false equivalence crops up in a lot of places but it needs to be called out. Many high profile Remainers claimed Leavers were/are racist, ignorant, far-right, small minded, hated all foreigners, didn't know what they were voting for, were old and thus should have their vote be ignored, and worse. Leavers claimed Remainers were ... what? Af…

The left has largely already been destroyed within the "Anglosphere". Collective bargaining has been undermined, social programs are defunded, and income and wealth inequality is increasing. The "attacks" you are referring to come from the "centre" - the technocratic "middle way" types. They do not represent left wing thought or politics.

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Post by ttt0 »

Schiendelman wrote: post #432
skinkestek wrote: post #415

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> The Nazi symbol in the stage of their event?

...and Gmail, Facebook and Chrome logos are masonic symbols.

You've somehow managed to delegitimize Wikipedia with those stupid claims, congratulations.

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Post by rbanffy »

vinger wrote: post #500
rbanffy wrote: post #484

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At least he was a better role model.

Any response that begins with at least... should remain in kindergarden. No one is a role model.

While I agree he's far from perfect (at the very least he sanctioned a couple extrajudicial executions and a coup in my home country) he seems to be a loving husband and father, can complete sentences and expose coherent reasoning. He clearly shows signs of a very superior intelligence, never declared bankruptcy (and never bankrupted a casino!) or defrauded investors, nor cheated on every single wife he had (he's still on his first one and she is a keeper).

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Post by jcpham2 »

Alabama technocrat checking in to say I have no involvement with national US politics whatsoever and echo OP’s “wow what the fuck sentiment”. I do sometimes interject myself into local politics but even that is distasteful due to the left vs. right mentality.

Born and raised in the US of A, can’t wait until it implodes and the dogs kill each other. Cannot fathom what just happened in this country other than the power of celebrity.

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Post by the_only_law »

arianon wrote: post #503
kstenerud wrote: post #381

I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

" The specific political distinction to which political actions and motives can be reduced is that between friend and enemy. This provides a definition in the sense of a criterion and not as an exhaustive definition or one indicative of substantial content. Insofar as it is not derived from other criteria, the antithesis of friend and enemy corresponds to the relatively independent criteria of other antitheses: good…

This is a very fascinating quote and, at least in my opinion, a gem in a this garbage fire of a thread. It puts in words, much more concretely and verbosely than I ever could a thought I’ve had in the back of my mind for a while now. I will have to look into this book more

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Post by lbebber »

cfcosta wrote: post #510
lbebber wrote: post #486

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In Brazil it has been exacerbated by the legacy of the military dictatorship, openly defended by the current president, and lately by the high number of deaths caused by COVID and the reactions (or lack thereof) to that.

That's revisionism, the political rift was already there at least from the second Dilma government.

Well I did say "exacerbated", not caused by it hahah

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Post by piokoch »

kstenerud wrote: post #381

I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

I disagree that Democrats are center-right. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Bernie Sanders are definitely left wing, even for European standards.

But you might be partly right. One of the reasons for that are rules of political marketing (rarely politicians have enough courage to ignore them). One of those rules says that you need to differ and polarization is good. You want to win? Show how different you are.

Another rule is that people don't vote with their brains but with emotions. So stirring emotions is needed. Humiliating your opponent is a good recipe for high emotions.

Social platforms are magnifying differences, emotions, so there is no much more left.

As a result democracy is not in the greatest shape now, some would even argue that it resembles more democracy of Roman Empire from triumvirate times (it was only a facade for the mob that was manipulated by those with power) than system that John Stuart Mill or Alexis de Tocqueville had in their minds.

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Post by timsayshey »

smt88 wrote: post #470
paganel wrote: post #217

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> By this logic, we shouldn't make or enforce laws because someday, someone can pass a law against harmless behavior. In a so-called liberal state we shouldn't send people behind bars for political reasons, not even fascists. Sending the people that protested at the Capitol behind bars is being done as a result of politics.

Please provide an example of someone who was sent to jail for protesting (and only protesting) at the Capitol on Jan 6. They must not have committed any of the following crimes: calling for violence, assaulting another person, or destroying public property. My girlfriend had at least 3 family members there who went, marched, and went home. None of them were tracked or charged with a crime.

They were definitely tracked: https://www.wusa9.com/article/features/producers-picks/fbi-t...

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Post by spacemanmatt »

vecter wrote: post #171
Auracle wrote: post #148

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Maybe you could start by realizing the vast majority of people on the right aren’t neo-nazis.

Not all people on the far right are Neo-Nazis, but all Neo-Nazis are on the far right.

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