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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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"This is not how politics work in the rest of the world." A lot of the debate around Brexit in the UK worked exactly that way - on both sides.

I feel that's disingenuous. It wasn't the same way on both sides. This kind of false equivalence crops up in a lot of places but it needs to be called out. Many high profile Remainers claimed Leavers were/are racist, ignorant, far-right, small minded, hated all foreigners, didn't know what they were voting for, were old and thus should have their vote be ignored, and worse. Leavers claimed Remainers were ... what? Af…

First of all, having the vote was an unnecessary and idiotic political blunder. However, it did highlight not everyone agree on everything EU. There are other models that are successful too.

The reaction to the vote however, has been borderline sabotage and very nasty characterizations. This is a symptom of EU being an "all or nothing" entity, of high prestige and privilege. The result being an unmitigated mess on all levels, but do represent legitimate concerns over how EU is run vs local level.

There are many good decisions in EU too addressing broader concerns. So it's a highly complex issue which is hard to solve by a simple vote and by political processes. Yet, that's how they did it this time.

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> most content to the right of AOC/Bernie gets downvoted or deleted As Reddit has a user base that comes from the US less than 50%, this might have to do with the fact that the Overton window shifted so far to the right there that the opinions of AOC or Bernie would count as center-right pretty much everywhere else in the western world, with the Republicans being off the charts lunatic extremist right.

Are you aware that the US recently passed laws allowing the government to sterilize and mutilate the genitals of children who feel like a different gender, even if the parents don't consent? I'm pretty confident most of the world would consider that leftism more extreme than anything the right has done recently.

Do you have a source? I’m pretty sure that children just get puberty blockers, which neither sterilizes nor mutilates.

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I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

"The specific political distinction to which political actions and motives can be reduced is that between friend and enemy. This provides a definition in the sense of a criterion and not as an exhaustive definition or one indicative of substantial content. Insofar as it is not derived from other criteria, the antithesis of friend and enemy corresponds to the relatively independent criteria of other antitheses: good and evil in the moral sphere, beautiful and ugly in the aesthetic sphere, and so on. In any event it is independent, not in the sense of a distinct new domain, but in that it can neither be based on anyone antithesis or any combination of other antitheses, nor can it be traced to these. If the antithesis of good and evil is not simply identical with that of beautiful and ugly, profitable and unprofitable, and cannot be directly reduced to the others, then the antithesis of friend and enemy must even less be confused with or mistaken for the others. The distinction of friend and enemy denotes the utmost degree of intensity of a union or separation, of an association or dissociation. It can exist theoretically and practically, without having simultaneously to draw upon all those moral, aesthetic, economic, or other distinctions. The political enemy need not be morally evil or aesthetically ugly; he need not appear as an economic competitor, and it may even be advantageous to engage with him in business transactions. But he is, nevertheless, the other, the stranger; and it is sufficient for his nature that he is, in a specially intense way, existentially something different and alien, so that in the extreme case conflicts with him are possible. These can neither be decided by a previously determined general norm nor by the judgment of a disinterested and therefore neutral third party.

Only the actual participants can correctly recognize, understand, and judge the concrete situation and settle the extreme case of conflict. Each participant is in a position to judge whether the adversary intends to negate his opponent's way of life and therefore must be repulsed or fought in order to preserve one's own form of existence. Emotionally the enemy is easily treated as being evil and ugly, because every distinction, most of all the political, as the strongest and most intense of the distinctions and categorizations, draws upon other distinctions for support. This does not alter the autonomy of such distinctions. Consequently, the reverse is also true: the morally evil, aesthetically ugly or economically damaging need not necessarily be the enemy; the morally good, aesthetically beautiful, and economically profitable need not necessarily become the friend in the specifically political sense of the word. Thereby the inherently objective nature and autonomy of the political becomes evident by virtue of its being able to treat, distinguish, and comprehend the friend-enemy antithesis independently of other antitheses."

—Carl Schmitt, The Concept of the Political. [emphasis mine]

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> genuinely left wing What does that even mean ? Any one with half a brain will find good ideas from the far left to the far right. This "left vs right" is the dumbest thing we ever came up with. Vote and fight for ideas, not sport teams... keep the fanatism for football

On the contrary, I find the left/right spectrum a useful, if rather rough, guide to the landscape og political opinions. But of course, the devil is in the details, and you ignore them at your peril. I consider myself sort of left leaning, but I still think there are a whole lot of misguided ideas on the left, some of them flat out dangerous.

Useful to what end? So that people can easily label an idea such that tribal followers can quickly decide if they are on board? I can't think of great applications, only negative outcomes from such a simplified labeling of people and ideas.

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I wonder if two party system is really so different from one party system since it's the systems of bureaucracy is what dictates lives of people and those pretty much stay the same and evolve very gradually in the direction of profit for the wealthy. Maybe it's more stable because it gives each half of the population their own enemy to hate, and periodical "wins" over that enemy? Maybe China will learn this trick eve…

10 years ago I'd have agreed that the parties are the same. Now I can't say that, and looking back, I was simply uninformed.

I don't think the US government bears any resemblance to authoritarian nations who lock up journalists left and right. The truth is the federal government isn't very strong at all; it's the citizenry who do the heavy lifting, whether that means reporting, growing businesses, or defending our security. We would be much less effective without the willful actions of people every day who believe in what this country is or can be.

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Complete nonsense false equivalence. Gab is _dominated_ by far-right racist content and conspiracy theories. My mum uses Twitter and doesn't see a single far-left opinion, 99% of the content on Twitter is that way. You're comparing an entire polluted pool that is unfit to swim in with a single floating turd in the ocean.

Really? It literally isn't possible to look at the "trending" panel in Twitter without seeing far-left talking points. For example, today's trending topics include the "cancellation" of Dr Seuss (with many tweets giving examples of why he should be cancelled in the author's opinion) and the use of the words "latinx" and "womxn" to avoid offending people by using gendered language.

Stuff trends on Twitter without it appearing in my timeline all the time though, so it is quite true you can use Twitter and never deal with left wing politics even if the rest of Twitter is ranting about bean dad or whatever that was.

Hell kpop shows up on the trending as often as leftist stuff but I don’t claim kpop controls Twitter.

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I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

In the US, a majority of GOP voters believe that Democrats stole the election, and that Joe Biden is an illegitimate president. Here is a pollster that is respected by US conservatives: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/ele... Many also believe that patriotic violence is acceptable to protect the legitimacy of democracy. What kind of conversation do you have when people believe their democracy…

> What kind of conversation do you have when people believe their democracy was stolen from them?

Same kind we had after Trump was elected. Your account is from before 2016 so I guess you remember those threads.

Seriously nasty they were, but in between all the reflexive downvoting some good answers existed.

Let's try to do better this time around.

PS: I dislike both parties. I just dislike hate and division even more, and I mostly don't dislike individual republicans or democrats.

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> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them Correct. We hate nazis.

> Correct. We hate nazis. If you believe there are 10s of millions of Nazis in America, you have issues.

There are 10s of millions of Ordinary Men.

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Can't speak for Brazil, but in the UK this trend has been greatly exacerbated by Brexit. Spain is indeed closer to the US in some ways as the legacy of Franco is very hard to forget by both sides, which causes all manner of weird things

In Brazil it has been exacerbated by the legacy of the military dictatorship, openly defended by the current president, and lately by the high number of deaths caused by COVID and the reactions (or lack thereof) to that.

That's revisionism, the political rift was already there at least from the second Dilma government.
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