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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by UncleMeat »

leereeves wrote: post #405
fenderbluesjr wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to argue against this, that really is the 25 point program of the Nazis. However, I think it is generally understood that Hitler's entrance into the National Socialists marked a deviation from Socialist ideas. My understanding was that there were literally two factions, one which took the socialist aspects seriously and one which had no interest in socialist principles. The socialist faction had people like…

> I think it is generally understood that Hitler's entrance into the National Socialists marked a deviation from Socialist ideas. No, the 25 point plan was announced by Hitler in 1920, including all of those socialist ideas. And the night of the long knives was in 1934. For over 14 years, socialists like Strasser were an important part of the Nazi party, working side by side with Hitler. Then Hitler consolidated powe…

Yeah and the really really bad part that we all remember the nazis for took place after hitler rose to power and all the socialists in the party were murdered.

When people say “the nazis were socialist” they are trying to draw a line from the modern left to genocide. But this is just not a functioning argument.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by [deleted] »

thu2111 wrote: post #436
arethuza wrote: post #390

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"This is not how politics work in the rest of the world." A lot of the debate around Brexit in the UK worked exactly that way - on both sides.

I feel that's disingenuous. It wasn't the same way on both sides. This kind of false equivalence crops up in a lot of places but it needs to be called out. Many high profile Remainers claimed Leavers were/are racist, ignorant, far-right, small minded, hated all foreigners, didn't know what they were voting for, were old and thus should have their vote be ignored, and worse. Leavers claimed Remainers were ... what? Af…

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by thamidolide »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #449
kstenerud wrote: post #381

I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

> by worldwide standards America actually ranges from center-right (Democrats) to far-right (Republicans) OhBoyHereWeGo.jpg It's stupid to try and condense the political ideology of the US (or almost any nation) down to one spectrum and then try and map that onto the rest of the world when we (and the rest of the world) have a lot of ideology based on "well party X took position Y because party V had position W back…

Anyone who is genuinely left wing will easily recognize that neither party in the US represents their interests.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by scotty79 »

I wonder if two party system is really so different from one party system since it's the systems of bureaucracy is what dictates lives of people and those pretty much stay the same and evolve very gradually in the direction of profit for the wealthy.

Maybe it's more stable because it gives each half of the population their own enemy to hate, and periodical "wins" over that enemy?

Maybe China will learn this trick eventually and split into two fractions that will periodically swap the highest positions between themselves?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by scotty79 »

mbeex wrote: post #446
kstenerud wrote: post #381

I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

> This is not how politics work in the rest of the world. On the contrary, a strengthening of this very pattern can be observed everywhere.

Is it progress?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by monoideism »

thamidolide wrote: post #450
thu2111 wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel that's disingenuous. It wasn't the same way on both sides. This kind of false equivalence crops up in a lot of places but it needs to be called out. Many high profile Remainers claimed Leavers were/are racist, ignorant, far-right, small minded, hated all foreigners, didn't know what they were voting for, were old and thus should have their vote be ignored, and worse. Leavers claimed Remainers were ... what? Af…

> determined to destroy conservatism by any means possible Sadly, a couple of websites being scraped and hacked isn't going to destroy conservatism. It'll take a lot more effort than that to wipe out this scourge of humanity.

I initially flagged this comment, but then I realized it's a great demonstration of the parent comment's claims. So I unflagged it.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by sneak »

slfnflctd wrote: post #444
sneak wrote: post #418

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We should be standing up for the human rights of everyone. It's a dangerous game to say "everyone except x group should have human rights". I'm curious why this isn't common knowledge by now. Do people no longer believe in or care for the rule of law?

It's the paradox of tolerance. If you allow the people who want everyone not like them to be forcibly marginalized or killed to have the same rights as all others, they will relentlessly try to flip that around until they're the only ones with those rights. We have to stop such behavior at almost any cost. This was made blindingly obvious to the majority of the population during WWII. It's a damn shame how so many ar…

Speech and violence are different things. You don't have to be tolerant of bad ideas (and indeed you should not be) but you do have to protect the rights of all human beings to express them.

Protecting the legal rights to publish, and personally/morally tolerating the publication of abhorrent things are two entirely different concepts.

No one person or group should ever be permitted to declare themselves the arbiter of truth.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by soundnote »

endymi0n wrote: post #152
bmarquez wrote: post #109

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Except /r/conservative never claimed to be unbiased. After people started brigading and posting threats (examples are occasionally shown by moderators) they had to tighten up their moderation. In contrast, /r/politics claims to be about general politics but most content to the right of AOC/Bernie gets downvoted or deleted.

> most content to the right of AOC/Bernie gets downvoted or deleted As Reddit has a user base that comes from the US less than 50%, this might have to do with the fact that the Overton window shifted so far to the right there that the opinions of AOC or Bernie would count as center-right pretty much everywhere else in the western world, with the Republicans being off the charts lunatic extremist right.

AOC/Bernie economic policy may count as centrist by European standards simply because the US is as a baseline much more right-leaning/libertarian and the big econ-left project is to establish a welfare state, which already exists in Europe. (There are rightwing arguments for a welfare state type of solution, but those are contignent on other things being true first, ie. something more ethnostate-y)

But that's not the only relevant dimension of policy:

Culture matters, and they are not remotely rightwing on culture.

The direction they want to move the country in matters, and they definitely don't want to move the country rightward either.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Delmania »

thamidolide wrote: post #453
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> by worldwide standards America actually ranges from center-right (Democrats) to far-right (Republicans) OhBoyHereWeGo.jpg It's stupid to try and condense the political ideology of the US (or almost any nation) down to one spectrum and then try and map that onto the rest of the world when we (and the rest of the world) have a lot of ideology based on "well party X took position Y because party V had position W back…

Anyone who is genuinely left wing will easily recognize that neither party in the US represents their interests.

Correct, the Democrats are a weak willed party of centrists more concerned with maintaining the status quo as opposed to implementing progressive legislation that will help people. The GOP has become a cult of personality.
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