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Stop it. There was no fucking nazi symbol on the stage at cpac. If you want to take a tiny group of extremists that are not accepted by a group and pretend they represent a group, we can do that the other way also.

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> The Nazi symbol in the stage of their event? ...and Gmail, Facebook and Chrome logos are masonic symbols. You've somehow managed to delegitimize Wikipedia with those stupid claims, congratulations.

The Charlottesville protestors used that symbol explicitly (see link). CPAC hasn't come out with a denial that their stage was that shape intentionally. If it wasn't, they would have.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-oth...

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> If you are fine with denying someone's existence I am sure you can take whatever is coming to you from very people fighting against you. Calling for people to be killed is never OK. Defending people who call for others to be killed is not OK.

Who said this was 'OK'? Maybe don't deny the existence of people and perhaps you won't get those responses?

> Who said this was 'OK'?

You're constantly implying that they deserve it with sentences like "Maybe don't deny the existence of people and perhaps you won't get those responses?".

I'm telling you that's being a huge dick because nobody deserves to be told that they should be killed, even if they are massive assholes themselves. And now you're trying to weasel-word your way out of it without admitting that those tweets are wrong, which sure doesn't make it seem like you disagree with them.

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OP is radically incorrect regarding where US parties would fit on a global scale. There is actually a lot of good research out available in political science papers based on large-scale surveys conducted over decades that show the US parties to be close to the middle of the right and left respectively. If you removed health care from the equation (given how messed up this is in the US) then the two parties would actu…

Well, I would like to see their methodology. Obviously these are data points that are hard to assign categorical labels to, let alone quantifiable values. I’d guess that by looking at the wide spectrum of governance with an inclusive view of Western democracies, you could come to the conclusion that economically-liberal powers share much in common. On the other hand, when commentators make these comparisons they’re g…

Most of the long-running studies use the comparative manifesto project data, which tends to skew european but covers more than just hot-button issues. I think it includes Japan and Aus/NZ but not sure about the latter. See https://doi.org/10.1111/1467-9248.12015 for info on the range of questions people in the field think this data can answer.

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I've been following Hacker News for over a decade and my sense of the community is that it has always been overwhelmingly pro free speech at any cost (even in the cases where it would protect something outright illegal). Now I'm hearing from many in the same community that free speech has been "weaponized" and must be controlled for the greater good. What happened? Seriously.

The size of the community has likely grown significantly over the years, and with it a change in the demographic of your average commenter. What started as place for tech entrepreneurs, entrepreneur hopefuls, and technologists with some years under their belt has changed into something that is more representative of the young tech worker population as a whole. The earlier demographic likely had a strongly libertarian bent, whereas the current demographic likely has a strongly progressive bent.

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I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

I disagree that Democrats are center-right. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Bernie Sanders are definitely left wing, even for European standards. But you might be partly right. One of the reasons for that are rules of political marketing (rarely politicians have enough courage to ignore them). One of those rules says that you need to differ and polarization is good. You want to win? Show how different you are. Another ru…

de Tocqueville brought this to mind:

"Tyranny in democratic republics does not proceed in the same way, however. It ignores the body and goes straight for the soul. The master no longer says: You will think as I do or die. He says: You are free not to think as I do. You may keep your life, your property, and everything else. But from this day forth you shall be as a stranger among us. You will retain your civic privileges, but they will be of no use to you. For if you seek the votes of your fellow citizens, they will withhold them, and if you seek only their esteem, they will feign to refuse even that. You will remain among men, but you will forfeit your rights to humanity. When you approach your fellow creatures, they will shun you as one who is impure. And even those who believe in your innocence will abandon you, lest they, too, be shunned in turn. Go in peace, I will not take your life, but the life I leave you with is worse than death."

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Really? It literally isn't possible to look at the "trending" panel in Twitter without seeing far-left talking points. For example, today's trending topics include the "cancellation" of Dr Seuss (with many tweets giving examples of why he should be cancelled in the author's opinion) and the use of the words "latinx" and "womxn" to avoid offending people by using gendered language.

I just looked and nothing about seizing the means of production from our capitalist overlords, or that money is a construct that needs to be abolished is trending on Twitter today.

You are attempting humour of course, but leftists in the West have long since abandoned those goals - I wouldn't expect anything of that sort to trend on Twitter.

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Alternative viewpoint: platforms without censorship tend to be right wing because that is what succeeds in a free marketplace of ideas. Left wing ideas require censorship to thrive.

How many left wing dictators have there been?

Stalin and Pol Pot are good examples.

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Some people disagree with that attempt to redefine words. This whole thread is about the right to have that disagreement in a civil fashion, or whether to shut down the thought process with phrases like “period”.

> Some people disagree with that attempt to redefine words. A trans person's identity isn't up for debate. You are insinuating that trans people are not human, which is abhorrent. > This whole thread is about the right to have that disagreement in a civil fashion We already fought a war over this idea. Your side lost. Get over it.

>You are insinuating that trans people are not human, which is abhorrent.

This is boneheaded and obnoxious. The question of whether a transperson's personal identity reflects reality has nothing to do with whether a transperson is human.

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While I agree he's far from perfect (at the very least he sanctioned a couple extrajudicial executions and a coup in my home country) he seems to be a loving husband and father, can complete sentences and expose coherent reasoning. He clearly shows signs of a very superior intelligence, never declared bankruptcy (and never bankrupted a casino!) or defrauded investors, nor cheated on every single wife he had (he's sti…

All of those things apply to most of the population. Maybe a firefighters or a teacher or a policeman should be looked at as a hero before a politician.

S0, what does it say about Republicans when they voted for someone who is worse than most of the population
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