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Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by nickbarnwell » Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 7:59 AM UTC

r00fus wrote: post #128

nettdata wrote: post #111

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Ahhh... I was just going by what was reported by someone at the keynote. Still, it's priced way cheaper than the previous versions, and I'd gladly pay the $50 for the convenience of a local patch/app server. (I have 5 macs in the house). My biggest peeve is the download-only for the OS, as I have rather crappy internet access, and dread the thought of downloading a multi-GB update.

Perhaps the fact that they've recently discovered delta updates would make the download process a lot easier.

From my understanding of it the delta updates are only for the y part of x.y versioning, not whole point upgrades, and only for iOS. OS X already uses delta updaters and has done so for years.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by rane » Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 8:07 AM UTC

fredoliveira wrote: post #171

dreamux wrote: post #152

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Full-screen terminal is [sadly] the only feature I really want in this update.

No love for command+tab number? That alone made me move to iTerm 2.

This is the reason I've always used iTerm, and then moved to iTerm2 a while back.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by chrisjsmith » Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 8:30 AM UTC

angrycoder wrote: post #185

chrisjsmith wrote: post #102

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That is sharecropping. If you play on another corporation's turf, expect this to happen and expect your income to be destroyed with zero days notice.

So you should create your own smartphone?

Nope. Unless it's an open platform.

Ask yourself if your business and interest would exist if the smartphones didn't exist. Then assume that it doesn't exist tomorrow because someone decided that a license is changed, decided that they didn't want to approve your app or decide to stamp on your turf. Your world will collapse.

Part of business is planning and resilience. It's something most Apple developers have not realised yet which is why so many of them are going to get canned by Apple over the next few years. This is purely down to being unrealistic, inexperienced and cash hungry.

The whole smartphone/cloud platform thing going on at the moment is a seriously harmful process both for business (in the long term) and computing as a whole. It seems to be based wholly on vendor profiteering and quick wins rather than genuine progress.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by tudorizer » Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 9:32 AM UTC

rythie wrote: post #73

Title is misleading, $29.99 to zero decimal places is $30 not $29.

That's how our whole consumer culture is tricked :)

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by lloeki » Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 9:37 AM UTC

fredoliveira wrote: post #171

dreamux wrote: post #152

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Full-screen terminal is [sadly] the only feature I really want in this update.

No love for command+tab number? That alone made me move to iTerm 2.

The one feature that made me move to iTerm 2 is separate settings for left/right alt keys (resp. meta/system alt). Essential on a French keyboard, where '|' is alt+shift+L and '~' is alt+N, while keeping meta alive.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by AllenKids » Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 9:54 AM UTC

crag wrote: post #194

AllenKids wrote: post #148

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I agree the default option should be "DO NOT TOUCH" And about the single track folders, tick "part of a compilation" in info box will do the trick. Keep listen to Pandora while it last.

While it's lasts? Pandora going someplace?

Space!!!!

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by dchest » Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 9:59 AM UTC

adamta wrote: post #125

ansy wrote: post #60

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This is par for the course with Apple. I remember back in the day there was this super popular shareware app called Aaron that gave System 7 users a System 8 looking theme. Keep in mind this was the dark ages of Apple. Aaron evolved into Kaleidoscope. A general purpose shareware theme manager that was met with enthusiasm by the Mac community. Kaleidoscope was synonymous with themes on Mac OS. http://www.kaleidoscope.…

I remember Konfabulator and Watson (is that what it was called? The one that was ripped off as a new version of Sherlock back when that was still a thing), but I think you're mistaken about why Appearance Manager never took off. If I remember correctly, Apple just never provided external developers with theme authoring software or documentation for the theme format, because between the original DP period and the publ…

Watson story: http://www.karelia.com/news/small_and_nimble_the_long_s.html

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by dchest » Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 10:20 AM UTC

thurn wrote: post #189

ary wrote: post #186

After all the talk about delta updates in the keynote I had hoped that Time Machine would be doing file deltas now. A read through the Lion features page doesn't turn anything up. Anyone know?

Time Machine has always done deltas (unless I have no idea what you're talking about?)

No, it has hard links to already backed up files, but individual files are not stored as deltas. If you have a big file that changes often, say 4 GB virtual machine image, Time Machine will just copy it every time.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by Derbasti » Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 12:33 PM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #104

bugsy wrote: post #80

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As a former registered user of Kaleidoscope, I have to say it destabilized your system because of the necessary system hacks. What you say about Apple stealing good designs is definitely true ( http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ ), but Kaleidoscope had other issues.

> http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ That's not a case of Apple stealing good design though, that's a case of them buying an Audion competitor. I'm sure Marco would have been far happier if Apple had bought instapaper. Or TapTapTap if Apple had bought Camera+. Hell, that would have been rather cool, it could have given third-party developers an interesting incentive: build something Apple will want to integrate…

On the "build and analyze" podcast, Marco also noted that even if Apple completely ripped off his business, he would still see it as a great ecosystem. He would simply have to move on and create the next cool thing.

He lives by Apple's rule and Apple can take away his business at any time. However, he is making a good living of that system and is happy with that.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by bxr » Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 12:50 PM UTC

AllenKids wrote: post #150

bxr wrote: post #124

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>playlists? Yeah, nobody would want to use those. They especially wouldn't want to build a playlist on the fly with their ipod.

iTunes is amazing at creating smart playlists, but it can get a bit complicated. iOS devices all have to ability to create playlist on the fly to. But building playlist without proper ID3 info can get tedious real quick and endless playlist building is not a solution to the problem of quickly populating a queue on a whim.

>iOS devices all have to ability to create playlist on the fly to.

The classics don't. It is the single feature that has me using a 3rd party firmware.

>endless playlist building is not a solution to the problem of quickly populating a queue on a whim

Of course it isn't, but browsing to a song/artist/album and being able to say "append to end of playlist" or "insert into queue next" are simple operations that are very friendly on a portable device, and once I had the ability to do so I couldn't go back.