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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules
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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules
#302> Apple says in the coming weeks, it will update its iOS software for iPhones to require apps to get explicit consent to track what people are doing on their phones for the purposes of sharing it with third-parties. That's all they are doing. They aren't preventing companies from tracking users in this way. They are just requiring them to get permission. Says a lot about Facebook's business model that this is a cause…
Honest question here, as this story almost got me to buy an iPhone. And really don't like them, just a personal taste thing. If I don't install apps, say facebook, it can't collect this data right? So by being careful of what I install, and staying clear of facebook, which I am already, using an Android should have a similar effect, right? Or am I getting this wrong?
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> This is definitely a true statement. The vast majority of small businesses who advertise on FB will be hurt by this change. I don't think I've ever seen a source for this. Could you post one, ideally one which is not subject to conflicts of interest (e.g. funded by the advertising industry)?
Imo, the conclusion around "worse marketing efficiency" is a logical extension from how Facebook's ad ecosystem works. That is, Facebook is a behemoth in advertising because of its capabilities to predict which users will convert from an ad unit. By predicting conversion rate accurately, FB empower small businesses to get more conversions out of fewer ad impressions and spend. FB's ability to predict conversion rate…
You’re making some assumptions along the way though. There’s been multiple articles published about how the data that FB shows to advertisers is not accurate:
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Normally, I'd ignore any marketing touting new privacy features in iOS, but Facebook's response has convinced me this isn't just an empty gesture from Apple.
I wholly internalized that there was a real problem when I started taking my phone to other parts of the house, placing it in a drawer before returning and shutting the door to have an in person conversation with someone.
If I were that worried, I'd just get rid of the phone!
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#305I am really not sure why is it only fb whose name pops up in media. IMO, this update will affect entire advertising industry. Be it giants like Google, Tradedesk, Amazon etc. In the end it is loss to the advertisers as lack of data will be hampering their measurements and targeting. Not sure if for internet platforms it matters. Will this be good for businesses in streaming TV like roku, apple, firetv?
Because Facebook is the most vocal opposition. There is a bit of media bias too because a headline with Facebook gets more attention, but there is no doubt that they are putting themselves in the spotlight by publishing big pieces in the NYT etc.
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Ex-smoker here. So, what do you advocate? Reward smokers? Encourage smoking?
Perhaps we should advocate consistency. Either shaming and punishment works to discourage unwanted behaviour or it doesn't. If it does, then perhaps we should start shaming obese people and crack addicts. P.S. Before the downvotes come, I'm rather fat and a mostly ex-smoker, so I'm not attacking obese people, just wondering at the inconsistency.
Don't we already shame obese people?
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I'm worried the iPhone mini will be canned next update cycle. I wish I was in a position to buy one, but I only got an iPhone X in Jan 2020 to replace my dying iPhone SE with great reluctance. It's too soon for me to replace, as it works perfectly and I can't justify the cost or the waste. I just hope there's a mini iPhone in 2 or 3 years when I need to upgrade. I waited a long time for a new small iPhone and eventua…
I got an iPhone 12 mini (my first iPhone since the original) I’m also worried they won’t keep the form factor around. It hasn’t performed well in the market. I like the size, but apparently most people prefer the larger size and battery life.
Seems like people think it will, and there will be a mini 13: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/02/15/iphone-13-mini-expected...
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>the App Store should not be the only marketplace available. Wouldn't Facebook then simply stop distributing it's app through the Apple App Store and then create it's own app store that doesn't have any of the anti-tracking restrictions?
I think the issue is there two funding models at play. Advertising vs. paid content. Apple wants the tide to switch to paid content, and want to encourage people to do so through their own merchant gateways. In my opinion, this feel reasonable _only_ if consumers have real choice. Telling users they can use a different platform if they're not happy, is not real choice.
You're not wrong with your first three lines but do you really think consumers will actually have any meaningful choice if all the trendy but privacy invading apps have their own app store with software free to run rampant on users devices?
With iOS, Apple was able to create a mass market of easy to use device for regular people that didn't get infested by various adware and malware. I think that's a really significant and impressive achievement. People choose to buy into Apple's ecosystem partially for this reason. When the next "must have" social/communication app is only available on a future Facebook AdStore we'll have the choice between installing some form of adware or not participating. That's even less of a real choice than having the freedom to switch platforms.
If app stores get regulated I fear we'll end up where windows PCs were in the late 90's. I don't know about you but I quite enjoy not having to remove spyware from the mobile phones of friends and family on a regular basis.
Also, slightly tongue in cheek, if Epic is able to force Apple to allow an Epic App Store on iOS will that mean that Epic will be forced to allow alternative cosmetics stores in Fortnite? How far should app store regulation go?
>Telling users they can use a different platform if they're not happy, is not real choice.
Finally why is this argument always made on behalf of users? I've never heard a user that wasn't also a developer complain about the lack of app stores where they can more easily download crapware.
I think this is a lot more about developer rights masquerading as user rights. I think it's self evident that in a lot of cases that the interests of developers are totally at odds with the interests of users.
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I'm not sure why this is getting down-voted, but I think the point here is the _fact_ that you have been put in a situation where, as an individual, you are concerned enough to do this is telling, crazy or not
I didn't downvote, but "It doesn't matter if it's true, It's bad that I'm concerned" is used to justify all sorts of alarmist policies. Right now that's what's being used to restrict voting rights across the US and has been used for a long time to justify NIMBY and tough on crime policies regardless of evidence.
There are differences between these scenarios. In one case we have an individual who made a personal decision that does not affect anyone else. The contrary examples are of people imposing their will upon others to restrict the rights of others. There is very little one should do about the beliefs of others, regardless of what the evidence supports, unless it affects the rights of others.
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Between this privacy fight and the form factor of the iPhone Mini, there's a 90% chance my next phone will be an iPhone after more than a decade on Android. I'm done with this ad-sponsored trash ecosystem.
Yeah that's a no from me, mate: https://www.timetoplayfair.com/timeline/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/robpegoraro/2020/10/15/apple-to... And so many others. Apple phone users weren't allowed by Apple to have Spotify as their default music program until recently.
I've never used anything but spotify on my iphones for years and this has never been an issue for me - i wouldn't have known or cared until reading these links.