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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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If Apple genuinely though that, you’d expect them to be selling access to their customer data to the highest bidder, but they aren’t. In fact they were offered billions of dollars in revenue by Google for customer location data in Google Maps. Apple turned it down and instead spent billions of dollars and several years building Apple Maps instead.

But they'll gladly take ~$12 Bn/year to have Google as Safari default search provider.

Well, they still need a search provider, a lot of people would change it to Google anyway. Arguably locking down the browser to limit tracking as much as possible is reasonable even though it potentially makes that Google deal less lucrative.

If they were intent on monetising users data, you’d expect them to make a deal with Google to allow tracking in Safari in exchange for a higher fee for default search.

In other words they don’t seem to be doing any of the things We would expect to see if this theory was correct.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

Completely agree -- How people don't look at this and delete their accounts immediately is crazy to me.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Normally, I'd ignore any marketing touting new privacy features in iOS, but Facebook's response has convinced me this isn't just an empty gesture from Apple.

I wholly internalized that there was a real problem when I started taking my phone to other parts of the house, placing it in a drawer before returning and shutting the door to have an in person conversation with someone.

I'm not sure why this is getting down-voted, but I think the point here is the _fact_ that you have been put in a situation where, as an individual, you are concerned enough to do this is telling, crazy or not

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

It's really weird. I don't think the "threat" is the obvious one... Nobody trusts Facebook -- many, if not most, people honestly believe they listen to their conversations already. The real message is how emotional and immature the leadership is to a perceived slight. A message that said "Cigarettes will kill you" didn't stop smokers, and some label won't stop Facebook users or meaningfully impact Facebook. Hell, whe…

The real message is how emotional and immature the leadership is to a perceived slight

It's very telling that personal privacy has Facebook's leadership fudging its collective Huggies, while every other company — even Google — is going along with it.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

It's already like myspace. Facebook is giving me super trashy friend suggestions of random foreign women with slightly suggestive pictures, and aside from my demographic I can't think of anything I've personally done on or off the internet which would make them good friend suggestions.

> I can't think of anything I've personally done on or off the internet which would make them good friend suggestions.

Being born a male a few decades ago

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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It's really weird. I don't think the "threat" is the obvious one... Nobody trusts Facebook -- many, if not most, people honestly believe they listen to their conversations already. The real message is how emotional and immature the leadership is to a perceived slight. A message that said "Cigarettes will kill you" didn't stop smokers, and some label won't stop Facebook users or meaningfully impact Facebook. Hell, whe…

>A message that said "Cigarettes will kill you" didn't stop smokers Nicotine is as hard to quit as heroin. The fact that we still punished smokers through public shaming, exclusion and excessive fines just shows how unsympathetic our culture is to perceived "moral failings." https://www.heart.org/en/news/2018/10/17/why-its-so-hard-to-...

Ex-smoker here.

So, what do you advocate? Reward smokers? Encourage smoking?

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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You know it really isn’t that obvious to me at all and I think Facebook is a genuine cancer on society. But everyone seems to conveniently forget about the absolute moral nightmare that is Apple’s supply chain. Remember when they had to put up nets to stop people from killing themselves? [1] What about when they were accused of using literal slave labour? [2] Or the time they actively lobbied Congress when a vote cam…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Does anyone support Facebook with this? Does their point below make any sense? I'm supporting Apple now but any merit to the opposing side? Curious to get some informed viewpoints. "This discouragement, this is going to have a real impact on the Internet as we know it, which is increasingly going to move to a paid experience, which again, benefits Apple's bottom line..."

If you are starting a startup and plan to monetize it by selling data of your users, you have one more problem to solve now. If you are starting a company with a very specific market, you might pay for your first customers more.

The first point falls flat. It is as good as saying, earlier you could steal data, now you have to ask and respect consent.

Second may have some ground. But does seem shallow once you consider that in order to support small business you are opting to take away privacy controls from individuals. What ethical model favors the ability of small sized businesses to spend less on marketing over individual's right to privacy?

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I'm not sure "Cigarettes will kill you" was ever meant to stop smokers from smoking. It was part of a generations long campaign to change the entire perception and culture behind smoking. And it seems to be working very well. I think there are parallels here. I see a focus on getting _current_ users to stop tolerating naked privacy. I think that ship has sailed. But in time the entire culture can shift where future g…

I think people forget how ubiquitous smoking was. I remember back in the 80s, you basically couldn't go anywhere without ending up stinking like an ashtray. And it was even worse decades earlier before I was born. Everyone bellyached as anti-smoking laws kicked in, but slowly, attitudes changed, and now, it's not such a big deal. I bet if you got rid of anti-smoking laws, you wouldn't even see a huge uptake in public…

I remember back in the 80s, you basically couldn't go anywhere without ending up stinking like an ashtray.

Can confirm. I visited many a windowless office in Manhattan where everyone smoked, and air circulation was nil.

Fixing electronics in those days always started with swabbing a thick layer of tar off the circuit boards.

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