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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by sib »

tomtheelder wrote: post #284
lovelyviking wrote: post #155

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>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

I think the SD card example encapsulates the issue perfectly. I'm pretty sure that in 2021 that is an _extreme_ niche use case. I feel like only extremely serious photographers and perhaps a particular slice of musicians use them. It makes absolutely no sense for them to have that built into the laptop. 99% of people who own Macbooks or whatever don't own an SD card dongle because they don't need it. However, and ext…

And most "extremely serious photographers" today are probably using cameras for which SD cards are not the storage format (or at least the preferred format.)

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Post by tstrimple »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #327
lovelyviking wrote: post #155

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>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

I'm not sure what you need "tons of adaptors and wires" for since you're only talking about SD cards, but to address that one example: what percentage of laptop users are professional photographers? One percent? A quarter? There are at least six fashion photographers in my apartment building and even I know they're a negligible slice of the population. Apple should not be designing their laptops around the needs of 1…

How far do we take this? What percentage of Macbook users use the tilde key? How many users open the terminal? What percentage of users use multiple desktops?

The reason Excel remains the dominant spreadsheet software is because it has dozens of features that other spreadsheet applications don't have. Each one of those features is only used by a small portion of the user base but if you add up the users which use at least one of these features it starts representing a significant chunk of users. Each of those feature independently isn't worth implementing in competing platforms because "Google sheets should not be designing their app around the needs of 1% of users", but the culmination of all of those features add up to a platform Google Sheets just cannot compete with.

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Post by funcDropShadow »

ppezaris wrote: post #195
XorNot wrote: post #90

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Apple burns almost all of their space savings on making the machine thinner, to the point of absurdity. Apple is content to push everything into dongles (which you have to carry around anyway) to get it thinner. The point at which I can't have a wired RJ45 ethernet port is already ridiculous - that is not a thick connector. Same with fullsize USB ports. Battery life there are hard limits as well: nobody is making a l…

I'm sorry who is using RJ45 ports on a laptop these days? Seems like that question was asked and answered years ago, and wifi has won.

Hands up.

My laptop is sitting at home 1,5 m away from my Unifi access point and the network cable is still measurably more reliable and performant. Wifi might have won the amateurs.

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Post by cpill »

nrp wrote: post #299
ploxiln wrote: post #237

I don't see any mention of the firmware and drivers efforts for this. Firmware and drivers always end up more difficult to deal with than expected. The Fairphone company was surprised by difficulties upgrading and patching android without support from their BSP vendor, causing many months delays of updates _and_ years shorter support life than they were planning for their earlier models. I purchased the Purism Librem…

Our Embedded Controller firmware is based on chromium ec, and we're using a mature off the shelf BIOS solution shipping in other notebooks today. We chose our key components with driver stability across both Windows and Linux in mind. We know this is something we have to get right to deliver a credible competitor to all the great notebooks already in the market, so it is something we focused on from the start.

if you have a fingerprint reader that works in Linux I'm in!

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by deadmutex »

gwbas1c wrote: post #401

I'm a Mac user, mostly because I like the simplicity of the hardware. If/when I return to Windows, a Framework laptop is definitely appealing. I'd rather change the ports than deal with a handful of dongles and adaptors. One thing to consider: I really want to try a laptop that comes with a good, well-supported Linux installation. (I haven't tried desktop Linux since the early 2000s.) I'm less concerned about "distro…

> I'm a Mac user, mostly because I like the simplicity of the hardware.

Do you mean software? Or are you referring to the iMac? because on the laptop side, the MacBooks seem very similar in terms of simplicity. Build quality is a different story, etc.

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Post by kieranl »

colonwqbang wrote: post #161
kieranl wrote: post #75

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We will open up the expansion card spec and share reference designs to enable partners and the community to build their own! I want it to be open as much as you do.

Is it "just" an internal USB-C connection to the expansion card? Or is there something else going on that could be more difficult to work with?

Nothing that goes outside the usb/displayport standards. We have to be compatible to support the passthrough card :).

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Post by spaetzleesser »

boogies wrote: post #407
throwaway894345 wrote: post #372

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I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

I’ve never understood why people⁰ care so much about trackpads. For working with text (including code) keyboards are better, and for gaming mice are better. Where I'm less sure is graphics and video, but it seems to me like specialized mice, graphics tablets, and other tools (eg. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/key... and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/pan... ) are b…

I had the same opinion until I used a MacBook. The trackpad works beautifully, the gestures make sense. It’s close to perfect. Even while on a docking station at my work desk I either the MacBook trackpad or the Magic Trackpad.

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Post by Toutouxc »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #343
rplnt wrote: post #330

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That's just a place to gather junk. People rarely use rj-45 these days, that's why it's not present on most laptops.

If by people you mean consumers, then yes, if you mean corporate/tech workers, then no.

I don't think we even have a cable with RJ45 in the office I work in. Everyone's on Wi-Fi. All developers. Just saying.

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Post by kibwen »

zerocrates wrote: post #427
throwaway894345 wrote: post #372

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I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

I feel like the XPS 13 trackpad is fine, what's your beef with it?

In terms of hardware, IMO my XPS 15's trackpad is superior to my MacBook Pro's trackpad. The gesture support from the OS obviously isn't as good, but the XPS sure does feel better to use.
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