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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by colonwqbang »

kieranl wrote: post #75
gillesjacobs wrote: post #58

Great initiative, but the proprietary expansion cards are entirely counter-productive to maintainability. The expansion cards will only be available for as long as your company provides them. Using the most-commonly used, mass-manufactured standard interfaces for components would provide more long-term repairability and upgradeability. The trade-off would be in design resulting in more bulk and in the economics of yo…

We will open up the expansion card spec and share reference designs to enable partners and the community to build their own! I want it to be open as much as you do.

Is it "just" an internal USB-C connection to the expansion card? Or is there something else going on that could be more difficult to work with?

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Post by nrp »

messo wrote: post #151

I was dreaming about such a laptop only a few days ago (admittedly with an IBM/Lenovo-like keyboard). Do you offer ANSI keyboards for European countries? It would be great if a nordic keyboard layout was an option and easily swapable.

We have both ANSI and ISO layouts, and we've designed the keyboard to be end-user replaceable. We'll be adding more keyboard languages as we expand into more countries. The clear keyboard shown in our product photos is actually real too! We'll be offering clear and blank for the people who want that.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by jnwatson »

mattowen_uk wrote: post #145
burlesona wrote: post #55

Well, HN will love this. Moddable laptop with a good webcam? Nice. But: - I really dislike the arrow keys not having the air gap above left and right. You’d think they’d learn that from the MacBook butterfly keyboard era. - it’s a little disingenuous to say “no adapters” when in fact their little expansion cards are merely adapters that insert into the chassis of the laptop. Only four I/O ports is a little tight (des…

For me, the huge trackpad in the middle front is the problem. Centred trackpads, weren't a problem when they were about 1/2 the size, but they've steadily been getting bigger and bigger. Now almost all laptop trackpads are at a size where the base my thumb and the edge of my wrist brush against them, causing endless false touches. If I'm typing for any length of time on a laptop, I now always disable the touchpad and…

I'm with you. I just got a new Precision and the track pad is 6 inches by 3.5 inches (no exaggeration). I think the idea was to accomodate left and right handers, but it has gone way overkill. It is large enough to be a Wacom-style drawing tablet.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by lukaszkups »

are different keyboard layouts even considered?

I hate those small up/down arrows.

Would also love to see the keyboard layout with additional column on the right (with PgUp, PgDown, Ins, Del etc. keys) like Mech-15 from Eluktronics have.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by CivBase »

marcodiego wrote: post #82

What is really needed is a common chassis. A common carcass that allows me the put whatever I want inside it. If I want a pinebook[1], I want to be able to put pinebook guts inside it, if I want a mnt reform[2], I want to be able to put mnt reform guts inside it. Too bad eoma68[3] is still sci-fi. [1] https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/ [2] https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2020-05-08-the-much-more-p... [3] https://…

> What is really needed is a common chassis.

I agree. I understand why that wasn't a thing 10 years ago while laptops continued to get thinner and bezels continued to get smaller and I/O was rapidly changing and evolving. Modern laptops are much more consistent, and standards like M.2 and USB-C have provide excellent support for low-profile expansion. Now seems like a great time to start rolling out standards for laptop motherboard connectivity, display housing, keyboard/trackpad housing, and I/O bays.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by mwcampbell »

> Designed for the future of work with a 13.5” 3:2 screen

I wonder if the "future" this laptop is designed for was canceled by COVID. Now that so many of us are working from home, maybe we should optimize more for a stationary work environment with no compromises on input or output. That is, a desktop machine with unconstrained monitor and keyboard sizes.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by pimterry »

How does this charge? Looks like it has 4 fully swappable ports, plus a headphone jack. Where does the power go?

Do I need to always have a USB-C adapter in one of those slots, and it charges through that maybe? That sort-of defeats some of the swappability though, if one port is effectively unchangeable. Might as well have a fixed USB-C port, since that's simpler and more space-efficient. Or is there another port or something planned that's just not shown on these prototypes?

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by CoolGuySteve »

tromp wrote: post #109

What led framework to choose Intel CPUs over AMD ones? Did it simplify the design of the system?

Yeah it's too bad, if this laptop had a 16 thread AMD CPU, it would be exactly what I'm looking for: a 3lbs mobile workstation that I can service/upgrade myself.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by belval »

Lot of optimism in the comments, but unless they have their supply chain pinned down I really really doubt that it will ship in any significant quantity in Summer 2021.

The truth is that right now most components are insanely hard to get, not just GPUs and they will have to play the bidding game (which will make their laptop significantly more expansive) or delay. For a small volume like theirs, there is a non zero probability that they will get dropped by their manufacturer completely.

I'd love to get my hands on one of their laptop though!

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