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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by CivBase »

warmwaffles wrote: post #204
CivBase wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is really needed is a common chassis. I agree. I understand why that wasn't a thing 10 years ago while laptops continued to get thinner and bezels continued to get smaller and I/O was rapidly changing and evolving. Modern laptops are much more consistent, and standards like M.2 and USB-C have provide excellent support for low-profile expansion. Now seems like a great time to start rolling out standards for lap…

That's not where the money is though unfortunately. It's why manufacturers like the solder on components. Easier to manufacture and make as small as possible. I hate it, and think it's bad for consumers.

We managed to get standards like that on desktops though. What's specifically different about modern laptops?

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

nrp wrote: post #183
samizdis wrote: post #103

Ars Technica has a sceptical but optimistic/hopeful take on it: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/framework-startup-de... Edit to add quote from Ars article: Framework is promising an awful lot in its very first product—"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" is a pretty tall order to live up to. We very much want to believe, but it's going to take a full Ars Technica teardown before we're c…

"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" was not actually a direct quote from us, but it's nice that the folks at Ars think of our design that way!

All the best, Nirav. Long lasting repairable computing hardware is what we need now and goes a long way than just not including the charger within the box.

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Post by hinkley »

That recessed port trick is something I've thought about every time I snag my Logitech universal receiver on my laptop bag. Only difference is that USB-C puts that idea on steroids.

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Post by yonaguska »

lovelyviking wrote: post #155
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're just USB-C dongles that snap into the chassis.. You can see better shots here: https://frame.work This is an unpopular opinion, but I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. This solution is sort of clever but it sacrifices a ton of internal space that could have been spent on a bigger battery. USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. (the Nespresso analogy is ridiculous, a la…

>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

> All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires.

A good dock solves this- it's not mobile, but I find that I'm not really that productive when I'm travelling anyways.

I only wish that docking solutions became standard offerings with the laptops that skimp on ports.

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Post by m4x »

ppezaris wrote: post #195
XorNot wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple burns almost all of their space savings on making the machine thinner, to the point of absurdity. Apple is content to push everything into dongles (which you have to carry around anyway) to get it thinner. The point at which I can't have a wired RJ45 ethernet port is already ridiculous - that is not a thick connector. Same with fullsize USB ports. Battery life there are hard limits as well: nobody is making a l…

I'm sorry who is using RJ45 ports on a laptop these days? Seems like that question was asked and answered years ago, and wifi has won.

I use it on a regular basis to connect to industrial networks. Wireless is not typically available in that situation and for good reason.

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Post by ploxiln »

I don't see any mention of the firmware and drivers efforts for this. Firmware and drivers always end up more difficult to deal with than expected.

The Fairphone company was surprised by difficulties upgrading and patching android without support from their BSP vendor, causing many months delays of updates _and_ years shorter support life than they were planning for their earlier models.

I purchased the Purism Librem 13 laptop from their kickstarter, and they had great plans for firmware and drivers, but also great difficulty following through. The trackpad chosen for the first models took much longer than expected to get upstream linux support, and it was never great (it turned out to be impossible to reliably detect their variant automatically). They finally hired someone with sufficient skill to do the coreboot port _months_ after initial units were delivered, and delivered polished coreboot firmware for their initial laptops _years_ after they started the kickstarter.

So, why should we have confidence in the firmware and drivers that Framework will deliver :)

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by znpy »

sho_hn wrote: post #60

I don't see any information on the licensing of the adapter card / inter-module interfaces. Can others build a Framework laptop without approval? Can others build cards without approval? Will it be a platform? Tell me how this isn't a Nespresso machine for silicon pods. :-) Edit: To be clear, even a "we have a generic base laptop and you can pick your I/O" concept is potentially a nice value prop, but it'd be good if…

tbh the adapter card really looks like a simple adaptor with an usb-c/thunderbolt plug on one side. it'll take a week or two for chinese knock-off to appear on aliexpress etc.

what i wonder is:

- can those cards be locked in place?

- can i hotplug/hot-unplug them ?

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Post by cromka »

imwillofficial wrote: post #22
akhilcacharya wrote: post #9

Looks promising, but having AMD chips would be killer.

Seconded! The value that AMD has been bringing to the table lately is shockingly good.

The fact that they answered a fairly ridiculous question (by HN-standards) wether swapping Intel for AMD on the same Motherboard is possible, but did npt address reasonable questions about their choosing of Intel over AMD, makes me suspicious of them being in bed with Intel somehow. It's just like with the AMD versions of Lenovo/HP/Dell premium laptops, which are always somehow inexplicably crippled (low-res display? why?!) compared to the Intel configurations.

When people ask why there's so many rooting against Intel, I don't say it's because they stagnated the market. It's specifically because long-known practices like these.

But hopefully it's not the case here.

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