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Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by DC1350 »

dqv wrote: post #276
hef19898 wrote: post #143

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Or just stop, or reduce as much as possible, the amount of crap we eat? There is no reason why meat has to be that low cost. Or that we cannot cook ourselves with fresh ingredients, ideally grown and sourced locally. Nutrition, being a basic of human survival, has been sovled for millenias. We just lost it with pushing industrialized food production, of any kid, way to far over the point needed to get rid of starvati…

I'm currently in the process of reducing animal product intake. I'm going about it methodically to make it into an actual habit rather than a fad where I give up a month or two later. What really got me to accept that maybe animal products might be detrimental is Dr. Gregor talking about the exogenous endotoxin theory. Dead bacteria in your food, no matter how or how long you cook it, will produce an inflammatory res…

Lots of doctors also recommended an all meat diet. Try both and see how you feel.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

gruez wrote: post #319
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #308

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I used a different source than the one you link. 500F is not difficult for a frying pan to reach either. The same Wikipedia page also reads: >Pyrolysis of PTFE is detectable at 200 °C (392 °F), and it evolves several fluorocarbon gases and a sublimate. My completely unscientific, unsubstantiated guess, based purely on obsessively researching food safety for years, is that it begins to leach at a much lower temperatur…

> I used a different source than the one you link. 500F is not difficult for a frying pan to reach either. Most vegetable oils smoke before 500F. If you're just frying up an egg or sauteing some vegetables you'll be fine. >The same Wikipedia page also reads: The sentence after it: >An animal study conducted in 1955 concluded that it is unlikely that these products would be generated in amounts significant to health a…

Without reading that study, who it was funded by, how it was conducted, I choose to err on the side of caution. In other words, I don't believe that statement for a microsecond, especially coming from 1955.

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Post by astrea »

Razengan wrote: post #286
jonplackett wrote: post #88

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Haha. I unfortunately did take it a bit more seriously. There was a point where if someone offered me a biscuit with my decaf tea my inner monologue would say “if you eat that biscuit you might never have children”. It was at least in that way the easiest diet I ever went on. 100% motivation!

What's so wrong with never having children?

Well, they were actively deciding to and attempting to have children, for one.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by gruez »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #314
gruez wrote: post #294

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>Teflon will always be scratched AFAIK this is a non-issue because teflon is inert in its finished form. It's only an health risk during manufacturing and when it's heated too high.

Sorry, but your knowledge is incorrect. Teflon breaks down and leeches into food at commonly encountered cooking temperatures.

claiming it "leeches into food" is a stretch. Wikipedia says even after reaching 500F it sublimates to fluorocarbon gases. I wouldn't want to be near it, but it's not exactly leeching into the food either. It's also unclear whether the fluorocarbon gases have the same effects on the human body as PFOA.

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

cameldrv wrote: post #68
nostromo wrote: post #20

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It’s interesting they call out vinyl shower curtains but not vinyl and polyester clothing, which we wear on our bodies all day. Even most cotton shirts and jeans tend to be a blend with synthetic plastic fibers because it stretches and breaths better.

I'm not sure you should specifically be worried about vinyl shower curtains, but vinyl is a specific concern, because to get the form of vinyl that's soft and pliable, the vinyl is mixed about 50/50 with phthalates that are known endocrine disruptors. That said, phthalates are used in tons of stuff, and it's not fully clear to me which sources are the most important. I've replaced my soap/shampoo/shaving creams with…

> I've replaced my soap/shampoo/shaving creams with phthalate free versions

How do you identify these? You mean there are products that advertise themselves to be phtalate free? Or that you are actively looking for phtalate composition in the products you buy?

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Post by goatinaboat »

danlugo92 wrote: post #207
slipper wrote: post #182

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In my experience, Teflon will always be scratched. Yes, in theory you could "use it correctly", but nobody ever does. So it's better to simply not have them.

Whats a good alternative? The ceramic ones?

Traditional skillet

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Post by gruez »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #322
gruez wrote: post #319

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> I used a different source than the one you link. 500F is not difficult for a frying pan to reach either. Most vegetable oils smoke before 500F. If you're just frying up an egg or sauteing some vegetables you'll be fine. >The same Wikipedia page also reads: The sentence after it: >An animal study conducted in 1955 concluded that it is unlikely that these products would be generated in amounts significant to health a…

Without reading that study, who it was funded by, how it was conducted, I choose to err on the side of caution. In other words, I don't believe that statement for a microsecond, especially coming from 1955.

>I don't believe that statement for a microsecond, especially coming from 1955.

but you're willing to believe unsourced statements based on your own intuition?

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

gruez wrote: post #324
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but your knowledge is incorrect. Teflon breaks down and leeches into food at commonly encountered cooking temperatures.

claiming it "leeches into food" is a stretch. Wikipedia says even after reaching 500F it sublimates to fluorocarbon gases. I wouldn't want to be near it, but it's not exactly leeching into the food either. It's also unclear whether the fluorocarbon gases have the same effects on the human body as PFOA.

If you want to gamble with your health while the jury is still, technically, out, I can't stop you...

> At normal cooking temperatures, PTFE-coated cookware releases various gases and chemicals that present mild to severe toxicity.

> Only few studies describe the toxicity of PTFE but without solid conclusions.

> There are some reports where PFOA was detected in the gas phase released from the cooking utensils under normal cooking temperatures.

> Due to toxicity concerns, PFOA has been replaced with other chemicals such as GenX, but these new alternatives are also suspected to have similar toxicity.

> The toxicity and fate of ingested PTFE coatings are also not understood.

Source:

PTFE-coated non-stick cookware and toxicity concerns: a perspective

Muhammad Sajid 1, Muhammad Ilyas 2

PMID: 28913736

DOI: 10.1007/s11356-017-0095-y

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28913736/

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Post by duckmysick »

aaronmdjones wrote: post #244
jonplackett wrote: post #89

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Exactly. Antibacterial soap is marketing BS. Soap already kills bacteria. As it has done since it was invented. Proof point- look how hard antibacterial soap is being advertised during the pandemic, which is cause by a frikkin VIRUS

COVID-19 is surrounded by a lipid envelope; soaps break down lipids.

Yes, and you don't need an anitbacterial soap for that. A regular soap will be fine.

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

gruez wrote: post #327
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #322

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Without reading that study, who it was funded by, how it was conducted, I choose to err on the side of caution. In other words, I don't believe that statement for a microsecond, especially coming from 1955.

>I don't believe that statement for a microsecond, especially coming from 1955. but you're willing to believe unsourced statements based on your own intuition?

I provided a credible source in another reply to your comments:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26238226

But yes, I'll side with my intuition when it comes to my health and those dependent on me.

Just because someone says the gun is not loaded...

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