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Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by draugadrotten »

M5x7wI3CmbEem10 wrote: post #78
jonplackett wrote: post #47

As someone who has had to do IVF for our child and go through the challenge of figuring our what to do to try and improve sperm quality, I can tell you once you start looking into it, basically everything about modern life is bad for sperm. Heat, radiation, plastic, micro plastics, soya, tap water, Teflon, antibacterial soap, underpants, western diet. It’s a perfect storm. If you’re going though it though I offer a r…

antibacterial soap, too? how do you keep yourself clean? and underpants, how? because of how tight they are?

>and underpants, how? because of how tight they are?

Temperature control is the reason the testicles are in a vulnerable unprotected spot outside of the body. If they were inside the rib cage they would be better protected but warmer.

Underpants that keep them warm are working against this.

Nudism at home is weird but works. Works wonders on the testo level as well if the wife does it too. Avoid hot beverages.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by yakshemash »

cblconfederate wrote: post #102
mikkelam wrote: post #81

Is this really so bad? Assuming humans are hit the hardest, the planet will be better off. Obviously we wouldn't want it to kill our civilization, but for the mean time, it doesn't sound so bad with less homo sapiens

1. This is happening in the western world, not in places the population is growing fastest 2. It's not just less humans, it s of worse quality

1. The per capita environmental footprint is at least an order of magnitude, if not closer to two, higher in the western world 2. The subtext of this point is so distasteful to me that I can't figure out how to engage with it. How do you measure the quality of a human?

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by hef19898 »

yudlejoza wrote: post #65

Pick a random essential nutrient. For instance, take zinc. Human body needs it. It needs to be taken in. You need to ensure the right food items, or the right supplements, doesn't matter. Where does that source come from? plants? animals? imported? produced? What goes into that? What's the prevalent intake level in developed countries? developing countries? what should be the right intake level? where (which parts of…

Or just stop, or reduce as much as possible, the amount of crap we eat? There is no reason why meat has to be that low cost. Or that we cannot cook ourselves with fresh ingredients, ideally grown and sourced locally.

Nutrition, being a basic of human survival, has been sovled for millenias. We just lost it with pushing industrialized food production, of any kid, way to far over the point needed to get rid of starvation.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by jesperlang »

chaostheory wrote: post #70
WA wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Soy isn't that easy: https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Medical-me... There was one study with 99 participants. A counter argument is Asia, where men eat a lot more soy and don't have reduced sperm count.

Isn't the difference in Asia because they eat less processed soy compared to the US and EU?

I was eating lots of miso, tofu and soy sauce when I lived in japan without issue. In europe i tried soy milk once and got an instant allergic reaction (itchy soar throat). The difference being soy milk is just soaked, ground up, boiled soy bean..

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by Manifretto »

scns wrote: post #108
jonplackett wrote: post #47

As someone who has had to do IVF for our child and go through the challenge of figuring our what to do to try and improve sperm quality, I can tell you once you start looking into it, basically everything about modern life is bad for sperm. Heat, radiation, plastic, micro plastics, soya, tap water, Teflon, antibacterial soap, underpants, western diet. It’s a perfect storm. If you’re going though it though I offer a r…

Tim Ferris wrote about radiation from mobile phones reducing sperm count in rats, and tested it on himself (as he usually does). Banned the mobile from his pants and got one of those attach it to your arm thingies. Spermcount went up.

Tim Ferris is half conartist half motivation speaker.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by adrianN »

scbrg wrote: post #100
heyoni wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of that movement is to restore balance to earth, but what’s the value in doing so if no one is around to appreciate it? There’s really no difference one way or the other; it’s just a sphere in the universe.

The biosphere consists of more individuals than just humans. The argument is that humans, specifically, do quite a lot more harm than good to the rest of earth's population. With perhaps a few exceptions, most other species would be much better off without us.

Humans are with high probability the only chance Earth's ecosystem has of surviving the death of the Sun.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by DoreenMichele »

jesperlang wrote: post #144
chaostheory wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the difference in Asia because they eat less processed soy compared to the US and EU?

I was eating lots of miso, tofu and soy sauce when I lived in japan without issue. In europe i tried soy milk once and got an instant allergic reaction (itchy soar throat). The difference being soy milk is just soaked, ground up, boiled soy bean..

Someone once told me allergic reaction to soy may actually be allergic reaction to GMO soy, not soy per se.

There may be very different stats from one country to another on how much GMO soy gets used.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by terse_malvolio »

Flow wrote: post #46

Related: "Chemicals in plastics damage babies' brains and must be banned immediately (cnn.com)" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26211605

If only plastic utensils and other plastic one-use expendables had never been taken as good idea in the first place

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by yudlejoza »

hef19898 wrote: post #143
yudlejoza wrote: post #65

Pick a random essential nutrient. For instance, take zinc. Human body needs it. It needs to be taken in. You need to ensure the right food items, or the right supplements, doesn't matter. Where does that source come from? plants? animals? imported? produced? What goes into that? What's the prevalent intake level in developed countries? developing countries? what should be the right intake level? where (which parts of…

Or just stop, or reduce as much as possible, the amount of crap we eat? There is no reason why meat has to be that low cost. Or that we cannot cook ourselves with fresh ingredients, ideally grown and sourced locally. Nutrition, being a basic of human survival, has been sovled for millenias. We just lost it with pushing industrialized food production, of any kid, way to far over the point needed to get rid of starvati…

A simpleton tree-hugger mindset will automagically solve our biggest global challenges for 8 billion people in the 21st century. After all, it "feels" like it will work for millions, so it'll end up working for billions too. And it makes you feel all comfy and angelic inside.

Got it.

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