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Post by stolenmerch »

kelnos wrote: post #354
stolenmerch wrote: post #344

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The point isn't really about institutional racism or police brutality, per se. The virus doesn't know or care about your cause or ideology, it spreads through a crowd regardless. The point is that there might be reasons why violating social distancing and lockdown mandates might be worth it. Protesting police brutality is one reason. Avoiding unemployment and accompanying mental health issues is another. One of these…

Not sure why the response was surprising: one group was protesting police brutality, and the other was protesting the exact pandemic rules that the CDC (etc.) was pushing. It would be a bit weird for the CDC to say "hey, we need to keep businesses shut down and people should stay inside, but it's cool if you want to go out and protest that requirement, in direct violation of the requirement itself". And sure, there's…

One group was violating the lockdowns out of a need to be heard concerning police brutality, the other group was violating lockdowns to preserve their livelihood because they can't work remotely. It wasn't just "hey we think this is dumb and we wanna go to Disneyland". This shouldn't evoke surprise either.

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

schwartzworld wrote: post #123
_uwiz wrote: post #50

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Different countries, and different situations. Living in a big old house in the country with your family? Your life is probably basically the same as it always was. Potentially better, depending on the work situation. Okay, sure, you're not going on as many holidays, and depending on how strict the rules are where you are, dinner parties are off the cards. Living in a flat as a single person in the big exciting city?…

What a weird comment. You think people with families don't miss their social lives? You think it has been easy? People aren't meant to spend so much time together. Not to mention work and full-time child care don't really go together. I'd say if anything, I considered maintaining a social life to be a form of self-care, one I was already struggling to get enough of. > A month or two more and I'm going to be in the 'p…

The parent comment was wrong to assume that people with families aren't also struggling due to dampened social lives - we're all struggling.

The people who are isolated by themselves are struggling much more.

In prison, the worst punishment you can receive is to be taken away from the all rapists and murderers, and put in solitary confinement. Being stuck in a prison cell with a partner and family probably sounds like a dream to the person stuck in a prison cell alone.

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Post by jeofken »

74d-fe6-2c6 wrote: post #183
jeofken wrote: post #147

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Good! The relationship between you and the Bundesrepublik is a non-voluntary one, where you never signed a contract with them to follow their laws. It’s a state created by the victors of the last great war. There is no moral responsibility to please people who are in your life involuntarily

With your attitude you have to be willing to not use tax-funded hospitals, community-financed health insurance or state-sponsored cultural events. Not sure if I'd like to take that step. There has to be a healthy balance in the relationship between society and citizen.

The same argument applies to a slave being fed and housed by their master.

I think it’s very healthy to avoid some government funded “services”, such as having children far away from government schools. If you are not paying, you are the product.

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Post by [deleted] »

dominotw wrote: post #273

I think not knowing when this is ending is worst part. I now know what the protagonist of the movie 'oldboy' meant by that. also on a unrelated note, "you will see in two weeks" crowd seems to have completely disappeared.

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Post by pjc50 »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #264
pjc50 wrote: post #128

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Yes, it's terrible. Even those of us who are "coping" aren't coping terribly well. But ironically the disconnection has made the costs of the disease invisible as well. The zoom funerals. I personally know a couple of people who are now effectively long-term disabled with respiratory issues - well enough to leave hospital, but their previous lifestyle can't come back. The death toll dwarfs every single "disaster" in…

The death toll is greatly exaggerated. Remember the "shocking" scenes from China? People dying on the streets, running out of coffins. Now we are in theory in multiplies of those infection rates and we don't see that anymore. What happened?

The media chose to stop covering it?

Or maybe not even that. The 6pm BBC radio news just read out the latest 500+ dead and apparent R number. It's just ... not important to the discourse somehow?

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Post by dominotw »

camgunz wrote: post #357
dominotw wrote: post #353

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anything that's not based on scietific hypothesis is obviously an 'emotional response', how is this even a controversial statement. Can you point me to the study for public health outcome differences from protests vs going to church. And what what their scietific criteria for where to draw the line was.

I don't think we need a scientific study to know that centuries of systemic violence is worse than Zoom church.

we also know that social isolation causes depression and anxiety.

"As the pandemic ushered in isolation and financial hardship, overdose deaths reached new heights" [1]

Again, What is their basis for what is ok and what is not. Emotions. correct?

Who are they to decide which population is expendable.

1. https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/16/as-pandemic-ushered-in-i...

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Post by rcpt »

robocat wrote: post #339
rcpt wrote: post #291

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Here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.16.21249950v...

“Findings: 236,379 patients survived a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19. Among them, the estimated incidence of neurological or psychiatric sequelae at 6 months was 33.6%, with 12.8% receiving their first such diagnosis. Most diagnostic categories were commoner after COVID-19 ... including stroke, intracranial haemorrhage, dementia, and psychotic disorders.” It would be interesting to do a relative comparison of physi…

> physical and psych effects of lockdown versus post-Covid complications

The control group in that study is people who had the flu during lockdown.

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Post by rtkwe »

OminousWeapons wrote: post #317
mStreamTeam wrote: post #277

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The "two weeks to flatten the curve" feels like gaslghting in retrospect.

The problem is people saw China bring the situation under control in under six weeks and thought that containment rather than management was also an achievable goal here. They therefore interpreted the term "flatten the curve" in that context and assumed it would lead to containment. What they didn't see (and what was never really talked about) is just how extreme China's eventual response to COVID was relative to th…

They didn't have to maintain the draconian initial lockdown the whole year though. A few months in they were opening things back up and thoroughly testing everyone that came into the country to keep it from being reintroduced while maintaining the monitoring to catch new cases. To all outward appearances it worked. The failure in the US wasn't inevitable, the US didn't even implement the basic versions of fever monitoring and test and trace, this whole time there have been two places that have temperature checked me; the courthouse and an store for a shared glass blowing studio. We have a lot of the same tools, medical quarantines, food distribution so people don't have to leave their houses, etc, there's just a massive difference in the attitude towards collective action in the US.

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Post by marcosdumay »

dominotw wrote: post #319
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #302

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I think the error here is perceiving errors from medical authorities as having emotional or manipulative motivations. First masks were unnecessary and hand washing was crucial. Now it’s essentially the reverse. It helps to wash hands of course but we realize it’s less of a vector. Then various governments said it’ll be over by summer. Then various governments said it’ll be a year. No one was attempting to gaslight; t…

> I think the error here is perceiving errors from medical authorities as having emotional or manipulative motivations. I think you might be forgetting medical authorities approving certain protests as being more important than containing covid. Dont want to start was flamewar here but just pointing out a flaw in your response. That was factually a 'emotional or manipulative motivation', right or wrong. > This is nor…

Hum... Define "normal".

If you mean "perfectly fine", then no, it isn't. But it's normal¹ meaning is "what happens most of the time", and it certainly is.

1 - That's intended.

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Post by _uwiz »

the_af wrote: post #341
AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #263

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Social isolation may be the best solution. Fine. Don't force it on us. If it's the right solution, then it will be followed. I am not going to entertain further the notion that we have locked people into their homes, given trillions of dollars to multinational corporations, and restricted the lives of everyday people, just because of a pandemic that kills less than 1% of the people infected. This is such an obvious c…

> If it's the right solution, then it will be followed Social isolation isn't an opt-in kind of measure. Furthermore, the average person doesn't have the background or tools to evaluate whether it works. It's a public health matter, and you do have to follow the advice of the relevant authorities. This is like the law against drinking and driving in many countries: you cannot decide to opt-out of this restriction. It…

Awesome.

I'm opting out anyway.

"What are you in for, son"?

"Being outside without an excuse."

Clown world.

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