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Post by saberdancer »

jorl17 wrote: post #252
RalfWausE wrote: post #31

I think the psychological toll of the lockdowns in different countries is highly underestimated. I myself have no real economical shortcomings due to the lockdown, but even as a person who is normaly a total loner and who can spend weeks completely alone on a excessive hiking trip i am slowly going crazy... For my wife, who is a highly social character, its even worse. And i am not the only one in this mindset... wha…

Lockdown has allowed me to properly realize how much I really do not care about going out. I may enjoy social outings, and for a while I used to have weekly scheduled social outings having much fun in them. In spite of that, I've always been "homey", and I've always been very affected by going out multiple times -- especially weekends. It just drains me and physically exhausts me. Weekends should be sacred. I absolut…

I feel the same way. Not sure if it is completely due to my psyche or the fact that I have a partner and a child. That's a lot of social interaction. If I lived alone, I might feel differently. Hard to tell.

I did notice a bunch of people who got really anxious. They were pro lockdown then against, then again pro and they were noticeably nervous and unhappy.

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

packetlost wrote: post #253
Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #228

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Many of these advisors are speaking directly to media. Devi Sridhar, one of the advisors to the UK government, for example, has been doing interviews recently about maintaining long-term border closures and requiring expensive hotel quarantines. Right after I posted my comment above, at 15:12 comments regarding Canadian forecasts appeared in The Guardian's COVID live blog, in which epidemologists say that restriction…

The only article that seems to be quoting Devi Sridhar is behind a paywall, but doesn't seem to be supporting your argument. I can't find anything on The Guradian's COVID live blog talking about what you're referring to, can you provide a link?

If you go to Google News, set your location to the UK, and search for "devi sridhar", you'll find abundant content that is not behind a paywall. Here is just one article[0] of many in which she advocates for an approach where borders stay closed until the whole world is vaccinated.

Apparently this[1] is the permalink for The Guardian post.

[0] https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19036150.covid-scotland-...

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/feb/19/coronavir...

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

solosoyokaze wrote: post #256
AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #242

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My anecdotal experience is the opposite of yours - everyone I know in their 20s and 30s who had a positive COVID-19 test got through it within a week and it was about the same as the flu. If my anecdata is irrelevant, then so is yours. The only people I know who have had permanent damage from COVID-19 in this age range, have all had their trauma caused by excessive lockdown policies. You know what's even less of a jo…

> You know what's even less of a joke than COVID-19? Our histrionic, insane, and completely violent overreaction to it. Quick question: how would you propose dealing with a global pandemic? Social isolation seems like the most common sense solution, since in 2021 we know how disease is transmitted and how to deal with that.

Social isolation may be the best solution. Fine. Don't force it on us. If it's the right solution, then it will be followed.

I am not going to entertain further the notion that we have locked people into their homes, given trillions of dollars to multinational corporations, and restricted the lives of everyday people, just because of a pandemic that kills less than 1% of the people infected. This is such an obvious cash-grab and overt attempt to impose further fascism upon people, just like what happened after 9/11 in the US with the imposition of the Patriot Act.

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Post by skocznymroczny »

pjc50 wrote: post #128
_uwiz wrote: post #50

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Different countries, and different situations. Living in a big old house in the country with your family? Your life is probably basically the same as it always was. Potentially better, depending on the work situation. Okay, sure, you're not going on as many holidays, and depending on how strict the rules are where you are, dinner parties are off the cards. Living in a flat as a single person in the big exciting city?…

Yes, it's terrible. Even those of us who are "coping" aren't coping terribly well. But ironically the disconnection has made the costs of the disease invisible as well. The zoom funerals. I personally know a couple of people who are now effectively long-term disabled with respiratory issues - well enough to leave hospital, but their previous lifestyle can't come back. The death toll dwarfs every single "disaster" in…

The death toll is greatly exaggerated. Remember the "shocking" scenes from China? People dying on the streets, running out of coffins. Now we are in theory in multiplies of those infection rates and we don't see that anymore. What happened?

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Post by CydeWeys »

toby wrote: post #233
CydeWeys wrote: post #215

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> Living in a flat as a single person in the big exciting city? Literally everything you do has been illegal or restricted in some form for almost a year now. And unsafe , too. I'm not not going to restaurants because I'm not allowed to (they're actually opening back up a little bit here now), but because under the present circumstances it's not safe to do so.

Open-air dining with six feet of separation is almost certainly safe. There's literally no evidence to the contrary despite multiple court orders to produce any.

It's below freezing here right now, currently snowing, and with high winds. No one's eating outdoors. I did it a bit before winter started but this entire season has been a wash.

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Post by CydeWeys »

Wintamute wrote: post #234
CydeWeys wrote: post #215

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> Living in a flat as a single person in the big exciting city? Literally everything you do has been illegal or restricted in some form for almost a year now. And unsafe , too. I'm not not going to restaurants because I'm not allowed to (they're actually opening back up a little bit here now), but because under the present circumstances it's not safe to do so.

Have you quantified that? How unsafe it is to your personally? I don't know anything about your personal situation, but if you're healthy and relatively young the risk from Covid (first catching it, then having a bad time with it) in resuming these aspects of normal life may be extremely low, even compared to activities you wouldn't think twice about doing pre-pandemic - like taking a short car ride for example. I th…

> How unsafe it is to your personally?

That's a very selfish way of looking at things. The problem with being a communicable disease is that even if I'm fine, others I give it too might not be. I'm trying to be a team player here.

Also, I'm not in a low-risk group personally anyway.

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Post by [deleted] »

RalfWausE wrote: post #31

I think the psychological toll of the lockdowns in different countries is highly underestimated. I myself have no real economical shortcomings due to the lockdown, but even as a person who is normaly a total loner and who can spend weeks completely alone on a excessive hiking trip i am slowly going crazy... For my wife, who is a highly social character, its even worse. And i am not the only one in this mindset... wha…

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Post by Wintamute »

Damogran6 wrote: post #241
Wintamute wrote: post #234

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Have you quantified that? How unsafe it is to your personally? I don't know anything about your personal situation, but if you're healthy and relatively young the risk from Covid (first catching it, then having a bad time with it) in resuming these aspects of normal life may be extremely low, even compared to activities you wouldn't think twice about doing pre-pandemic - like taking a short car ride for example. I th…

Are the young as at big a risk as older folks? No. CAN THEY COMMUNICATE IT TO OLDER FOLKS? Yes. Yes they can. This kinda falls into the 'social obligation' column. Just because it doesn't affect you personally, doesn't mean you shouldn't be part of the solution. Sooner or later something WILL happen to you and you'll benefit from being a member.

I understand that aspect. Vaccinations, social distancing, mask wearing, mass testing, self isolating with symptoms or while vulnerable - these are all tools designed to get society running again, while minimising risk. The OP said they felt unsafe about going into restaurants which were open in their region. My opinion is that is incumbent on all of us to get back to normality as swiftly as possible within the guidelines set out by our local governments. That is my idea of social obligation, thanks.

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Post by Nursie »

nicbou wrote: post #247
Nursie wrote: post #73

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I'm in between the two groups. I live with my partner in a mid-sized house in the centre of a small city. Financially I'm doing great, I've worked throughout and there's literally nothing to spend the money on. My mental health is starting to deteriorate though. I'm not sleeping well most nights, I've turned very much inwards, I feel angry and despairing a lot. Part of the current problem is that we don't have a time…

One thing that helped for me was to treat this period as also life, rather than something I must sit through. I still highlight dumb holidays (next week is International I Hate Cilantro Day), read by the candlelight, explore abandoned buildings, ride my bicycle around etc. I had to delay the plans for which I have strived for many years, but I don't consider that time lost. I got to try things I wouldn't have tried o…

I'm trying to treat it as a good time to get things done.

I can't go anywhere so I have time to finish painting the hallway, fixing the garden etc etc. It helps I also have a home-based hobby (brewing) so I can carry on with that.

I should cycle more, and I'm sure I will when the weather picks up a bit. It really helps my state of mind.

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Post by willyt »

pjc50 wrote: post #128
_uwiz wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different countries, and different situations. Living in a big old house in the country with your family? Your life is probably basically the same as it always was. Potentially better, depending on the work situation. Okay, sure, you're not going on as many holidays, and depending on how strict the rules are where you are, dinner parties are off the cards. Living in a flat as a single person in the big exciting city?…

Yes, it's terrible. Even those of us who are "coping" aren't coping terribly well. But ironically the disconnection has made the costs of the disease invisible as well. The zoom funerals. I personally know a couple of people who are now effectively long-term disabled with respiratory issues - well enough to leave hospital, but their previous lifestyle can't come back. The death toll dwarfs every single "disaster" in…

The death toll in Britain so far is about 3 times the number of British civilians killed in WW2.
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