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Post by steve_adams_86 »

ryantgtg wrote: post #283
jorl17 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lockdown has allowed me to properly realize how much I really do not care about going out. I may enjoy social outings, and for a while I used to have weekly scheduled social outings having much fun in them. In spite of that, I've always been "homey", and I've always been very affected by going out multiple times -- especially weekends. It just drains me and physically exhausts me. Weekends should be sacred. I absolut…

I feel a fair amount of guilt about this. I live with my spouse and toddler, and not having a commute and spending lots of time with my daughter everyday has been great. Also, it’s now easy for me to fit in exercise every day, so I’m in the best shape I’ve been in in a while. When relatives ask how I’m doing, I immediately say, “Great!” But then I realize - oops, I should probably give a less selfish response, and ac…

In my opinion - Don’t give a less selfish response, it’s good if you’re doing great. Don’t feel ashamed or selfish for being in a healthy state. But of course, don’t hold back your sympathy either. You’re in a good place to offer support to those around you. I think this is an important facet of how humans work together, personally.

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Post by rz2k »

mStreamTeam wrote: post #277
dominotw wrote: post #273

I think not knowing when this is ending is worst part. I now know what the protagonist of the movie 'oldboy' meant by that. also on a unrelated note, "you will see in two weeks" crowd seems to have completely disappeared.

The "two weeks to flatten the curve" feels like gaslghting in retrospect.

Unless you live in New Zealand you probably haven't ever written down your contact information when entering a store, and probably don't even know what that is.

Flattening the curve was really about overloading hospitals. The end game is to make covid-19 extinct in the wild, or domesticated in the sense that only relatively harmless variants remain.

Without serious testing and contact tracing that may take a very long time. We completely fumbled the early 2020 chance to contain the virus. The vaccines should decrease the numbers enough that there will be a second chance to contain it, this time with real efforts at contact tracing if we actually want to make the virus extinct.

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Post by standardUser »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #304
standardUser wrote: post #298

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Nothing Biden has said or done has implied he wants to take a hardline approach to COVID restrictions, aside from briefly floating the idea of limited domestic travel. And he made no effort to tie the massive relief package to restrictive state polices. Beyond that, he has limited authority over state and local restrictions.

One of the Biden administration's first moves was to reinstate the ban on travel to the USA from Schengen that was about to expire. And it was just announced that this ban would now be extended indefinitely. The US ban on travel does not just affect tourism, it affects family reunification as well, and I would consider that a hardline approach.

That travel "ban" is riddled with exemptions.

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Post by pb7 »

Uberphallus wrote: post #308
pb7 wrote: post #293

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2.4M people is 0.03% of the global population. Heart disease alone kills 0.23% of the global population per year.

> 2.4M people is 0.03% of the global population. Heart disease alone kills 0.23% of the global population per year. One would have thought that by now we wouldn't be comparing fatality rates of a disease that propagates exponentially when left unchecked, with a more or less stable family of diseases that isn't contagious, but here we are, apple pies to orange sorbets.

Masks and social distancing alone would have sufficed. South Korea is proof of that.

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Post by robotresearcher »

eplanit wrote: post #246
RalfWausE wrote: post #31

I think the psychological toll of the lockdowns in different countries is highly underestimated. I myself have no real economical shortcomings due to the lockdown, but even as a person who is normaly a total loner and who can spend weeks completely alone on a excessive hiking trip i am slowly going crazy... For my wife, who is a highly social character, its even worse. And i am not the only one in this mindset... wha…

"the mood is slowly turning into some sort of "Torches and Pitchforks" way..." That mentality can actually be helpful, and provided it stays metaphorical, it is called for. We're coming up on the one year anniversary of authoritarian rules. We accepted them because we were (rightfully) scared. The facts are that it is now getting under control, and it would be healthy and cathartic to assert normalcy again. We're rig…

What do you think happens if we go back to normal behavior before we have a large fraction of people vaccinated?

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

standardUser wrote: post #313
Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the Biden administration's first moves was to reinstate the ban on travel to the USA from Schengen that was about to expire. And it was just announced that this ban would now be extended indefinitely. The US ban on travel does not just affect tourism, it affects family reunification as well, and I would consider that a hardline approach.

That travel "ban" is riddled with exemptions.

Can you cite those exemptions? There is a longstanding campaign on Twitter (loveisnottourism) that complains that the US policy is preventing partners from seeing one another. Also, even if in some cases one could theoretically board a flight, that means nothing if you need a visa and your local US consulate won’t issue you one, because it says no visas will be issued during the pandemic.

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Post by OminousWeapons »

mStreamTeam wrote: post #277
dominotw wrote: post #273

I think not knowing when this is ending is worst part. I now know what the protagonist of the movie 'oldboy' meant by that. also on a unrelated note, "you will see in two weeks" crowd seems to have completely disappeared.

The "two weeks to flatten the curve" feels like gaslghting in retrospect.

The problem is people saw China bring the situation under control in under six weeks and thought that containment rather than management was also an achievable goal here. They therefore interpreted the term "flatten the curve" in that context and assumed it would lead to containment. What they didn't see (and what was never really talked about) is just how extreme China's eventual response to COVID was relative to the constraints placed on Americans.

The Chinese were placing everyone under house arrest, mandating mask use, monitoring everyone's movements at checkpoints, temperature checking anyone who left their house when possible, banning people from going outside more than X times per week, forcibly quarantining, arresting non-compliant people, shuttering every non-essential business under the strictest interpretation of "essential", blocking internal travel, physically isolating cities, requiring quarantine when returning from traveling abroad, etc. The US government didn't really do any of that. To anyone aware of the contrast in national responses, it was very obvious that we would not be able to replicate China's success and that COVID would be around until we got a vaccine.

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Post by dominotw »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #302
mStreamTeam wrote: post #281

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I'm not questioning the flattening the curve part. I'm saying the 2 weeks part was gaslighting. What they should have said is "one year or greater to flatten the curve." That would have been honest

I think the error here is perceiving errors from medical authorities as having emotional or manipulative motivations. First masks were unnecessary and hand washing was crucial. Now it’s essentially the reverse. It helps to wash hands of course but we realize it’s less of a vector. Then various governments said it’ll be over by summer. Then various governments said it’ll be a year. No one was attempting to gaslight; t…

> I think the error here is perceiving errors from medical authorities as having emotional or manipulative motivations.

I think you might be forgetting medical authorities approving certain protests as being more important than containing covid. Dont want to start was flamewar here but just pointing out a flaw in your response. That was factually a 'emotional or manipulative motivation', right or wrong.

> This is normal.

Obviously not.

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