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Post by jshevek »

mathgorges wrote: post #362
hackinthebochs wrote: post #346

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The targets of cancel culture don't always get completely buried, just like attempts at murder don't always succeed. That doesn't mean it wasn't an attempted murder or an attempted cancelling.

Sure, but my point is that the thread author said: > 2. A yoga studio that was so woke they had gender-neutral bathrooms and person-of-color yoga nights where “white friends and allies” were asked to “respectfully refrain from attending” has closed down due to racial accusations. That was a lie. Kindness Yoga didn’t close down. So I’d advise others to take the thread author’s words with a grain of salt.

Are you saying that because they are now open, they never closed down?

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Post by swiley »

snarfy wrote: post #385
yardie wrote: post #84

> the Mafia is very much a part of the music industry, I'm not too familiar with the pop side of the music industry. I dipped my toe into the Rap/R&B side of the business building websites for new artists. There were literal gangsters in the recording studios sitting across from me drinking and smoking and they made plans for every aspect of these young girls lives: what and when they could eat, who they could see, w…

I worked for a startup that contracted with the major record labels at the time, with a lot of the funding coming from the record labels. One day a group of four men arrived at the office. They were investors and not too happy with how the stock had been performing. This was a time before naked shorting was illegal. They all wore suits and one of the men carried a baseball bat into the office. They all had stereotypi…

This is why I don't listen to the music they play on the radio and only listen to demoscene tracks and armature folk recordings. You can feel this stuff going on in the music.

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Post by bobthepanda »

P_I_Staker wrote: post #446
pvarangot wrote: post #336

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Oh sorry I thought you were talking about roles on the entertainment industry. I also work in tech and worked in tech most of my life and even talking about this stuff in certain circles can get you fired. Not so much about the drugs thing, but for for reason the tech industry is very conservative regarding sex.

> but for for reason the tech industry is very conservative regarding sex. IDK about that it's the same or slightly better than the rest of corporate America IME. Maybe a bit more lenient, if anything. Industry is "very conservative" because talking about sex can almost instantaneously turn into sexual harassment. So you have to be careful talking about it. Drugs don't have the same liability concerns, if people aren…

The discomfort is considered to be part of the broad topic of ‘consent’. In a similar manner to people consenting to actual sexual actions, you should get consent about talking about sex, because people’s boundaries are all over the place, and you’re almost certainly not going to get informed, free consent in a workplace with power dynamics.

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Post by bobthepanda »

krageon wrote: post #571
thu2111 wrote: post #559

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No, I don't think so. That's a 1980s era explanation. There are people who aren't especially attractive in all industries. Even in Hollywood, look at what Weinstein got up to, and he isn't exactly Adonis reborn. I think the explanation is simpler: music and acting jobs are easy. Lots of people can sing, dance, semi-convincingly repeat lines written for them by other people, or even write scripts. It's just not a very…

I'm not sure where to start with this, so I'll start with the broad strokes: You've underestimated the difficulty of creative work (or what is traditionally seen as creative) and overestimated the difficulty of "tech" (which I would argue is also a creative field). If anything, tech is ridiculously easy to get into even if you are patently and demonstrably unskilled. The same is simply not true for other creative wor…

I would say the grandparent even has the correlation backwards.

Tech isn’t necessarily harder or easier, there is just so much demand for tech that employees can afford to walk away from egregious behavior. Most creative industries do not suffer from extremely high demand.

In fact this isn’t even true for all tech. Academia sounds like a big hazing ritual. Games has had high profile abuse cases. And startups can be plenty exploitative.

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Post by jariel »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #557
jariel wrote: post #543

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Lost in this comment is how brutally inappropriate that Tumblr office would have been to work in - and beyond illegal in so many ways but it's just all cool because it's LGBTQ? I thought they were suppose to be 'just like us' and that 'transitioning pantihose urine fetish' would a gross, charicatured misrepresentation? YouPorn you'll find is completely not like that, super professional to the point wherein the 'conte…

I just ignored most of it - the only time I was really insulted was when I found out the real reason the office manager went around lighting candles everywhere was that she thought the engineers smelled bad. I overheard her taking to the receptionist while I was downstairs foraging for a favorite snack one day. They didn’t realize I was there, but not cool just the same.

Sure, it wouldn't bother me either, but those things are 'squarely sexual harassment' of the kind HR teams usually writhe over. I think if the story were changed to 'straight white guys' then I can also see some letting it pass, but a lot more people viscerally upset as well, popularly.

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Post by jariel »

krageon wrote: post #570
jariel wrote: post #540

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I don't think KPop artists are sex slaves, though? Rather, it's a really rough, possibly exploitative gig. They are just like models, but they also sing and dance. The Music Industry and Hollywood though, they will protect themselves. We hear more about someone being cancelled for the slightest Tweet than for example Bryan Singer's decades long rapey escapades. Corey Feldman was literally mocked in public for suggest…

> They are just like models It is a little ironic that you say they're not required to give sexual favours and say right after that they're just like models, another industry where that is very very common.

But KPop is Korean and corporatised.

It's not like 'modelling' or 'acting'.

The bands are run by organized machines.

Hollywood/Music/Modelling are industries of individuals, sometimes coming together for productions, entire segments of the industry never work in classically professional environments.

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Post by mnouquet »

agumonkey wrote: post #555
mnouquet wrote: post #205

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Actually, in a human hierarchical society, power is all about sex.

Explain that to me, is that a self gene natural ladder ?

Competition to get at the top of the hierarchy, and the fact someone will be willing to compete, coupled with the intrinsic need for control which comes with power, sex just being a tool to an end... Especially in a culture as puritan and easily offended (only "in public") as the North American culture.

All in all, it's human intrinsic nature.

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Post by coliveira »

soma2009 wrote: post #504
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #91

I've been working for 25+ years in huge, international, rich companies — at very senior (tech) levels. Plenty of travel, plenty of team building, plenty of dinners and hotels. My wife asked me a few times about the orgies the movies show, and damn it, I must have always been at the wrong parties. It is interesting how this varies by companies and organizations.

Since we’re sharing weird work stories, I was working for an early cloud provider in SF back around 2010, coming out from NYC about once a month or so. Got into the office right off the plane late afternoon once and one of the sales guys wanted to get drinks after work, told me he’d come by the company apartment to get me. So he swings by to pick me up and I didn’t ask where we were headed, figured just some cocktail…

The explanation here is "sales guy". This is the typical behavior of sales people, don't expect anything different when they invite you to go out.

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Post by ratww »

PeterisP wrote: post #586
ratww wrote: post #403

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I don't see that changing. I see K-pop fans worshipping the companies as much as they worship the artists themselves. It's a bit dystopic. As much as the old music industry sucks, at least established artists had power.

"at least established artists had power." Really? Prince's right to his own (stage) name? Taylor Swift and the rights to her early albums? And even if we're just talking about royalties, it looks like half of established artists have had lawsuits about labels defrauding them in some way, and the other half seem to have similar issues settled out of court.

You seem to be reading too much into my comment. "Having power" doesn't mean that everything is perfect and abuses won't happen.

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Post by ratww »

celticninja wrote: post #411
ratww wrote: post #403

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I don't see that changing. I see K-pop fans worshipping the companies as much as they worship the artists themselves. It's a bit dystopic. As much as the old music industry sucks, at least established artists had power.

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