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'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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I've been working for 25+ years in huge, international, rich companies — at very senior (tech) levels.

Plenty of travel, plenty of team building, plenty of dinners and hotels.

My wife asked me a few times about the orgies the movies show, and damn it, I must have always been at the wrong parties.

It is interesting how this varies by companies and organizations.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

#92

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> if Jeff Besos would come to you and say: I invest into your startup $100M if I can fuck you into the ass tree times, very high percentage of HN crowd would immediately say yes. What's the name for this kind of arguments? Also, why specifically Bezos? Why not the billionaire next door? Also, why only the HN crowd? Wouldn't a lot of people too? Do you have a beef with the HN crowd or Bezos?

I perceive your parent comment to be straightforward and not sinister in the least. Why not Bezos (the billionaire who most easily comes to mind), why not HN (the website we're on )? Seriously, what's with the weird angry insinuating questions.

how dare someone choose an example that would be relevant to the audience!

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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I've always thought this phrase is a bit silly. It completely erases the existence of asexual people and their goals and ambitions.

Not that I'm supporting asexual erasure, but sayings like the quote in GP are usually fairly general. Statistically, there are much much fewer asexual people than not, so in general it may hold but that's not to say it holds for every single person.

The average human has one breast and one testicle.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…

> I mean, if Jeff Besos would come to you and say: I invest into your startup $100M if I can fuck you into the ass tree times, very high percentage of HN crowd would immediately say yes. Ew. This comment is atrocious and shows your privilege. It sounds like you haven't listened to many stories of women experiencing systemic abuse, misogyny and humiliation (and who experience most of this abuse in the music industry).…

> Ew. This comment is atrocious and shows your privilege. It sounds like you haven't listened to many stories of women experiencing systemic abuse and misogyny. It scares me that people say this stuff publicly.

The point is that for 2 girls complaining about abuse, in this industry there are 100 who perfectly know what they are doing and happy to play the sexual favor game.

The only part where you are right is that it should be made more public, so that "innocent" (not like amber heard) girls would not get so surprised then.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…

> I mean, if Jeff Besos would come to you and say: I invest into your startup $100M if I can fuck you into the ass tree times, very high percentage of HN crowd would immediately say yes. Ew. This comment is atrocious and shows your privilege. It sounds like you haven't listened to many stories of women experiencing systemic abuse, misogyny and humiliation (and who experience most of this abuse in the music industry).…

To me your comment is illustrating your privilege. Prostituting oneself three times to be financially set for life could be a perfectly acceptable trade off for millions of people. The fact that you wouldn’t even consider it shows that you haven’t gone hungry for a while.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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I’m reminded of an axiom, which I will paraphrase: Everything is about sex. Except sex, which is about power.

It might have gone better if you'd said "aphorism" rather than "axiom", because boy howdy are there a lot of people in these comments who don't know what an aphorism is and are taking it literally.

you are correct.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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It's a barrier or an open door, depending on what you are willing to do.

Either way it usually has nothing to do with the job. Should we really be accepting of managers hiring/promoting people based on how likely they are to fuck them?

No, of course. But it still is an open door to many people who wouldn't be there otherwise. I'm not giving any assessment whether this is good or bad.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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HN: Legalize prostitution, it is normal work. Also HN: Sleeping your way to the top? THE HORROR. I know quite a few people who did the latter, they don't seem to regret it at all.

Can you really not see the difference? In prostitution sex is the product being sold. In other environments sex is a distorting factor that puts those not willing to engage in it at a disadvantage and can cause great harm when it becomes an expectation.

I don't think it said they were forcibly raped; but that the sex was in exchange for something of value, like opportunity or promotion. So long as both parties are adults and in agreement, the "not willing to engage" part doesn't apply. Maybe it's still unethical, though.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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I’m reminded of an axiom, which I will paraphrase: Everything is about sex. Except sex, which is about power.

Says more about the speaker than sex itself. Sounds like the words of someone with mental health issues.

Or maybe someone who've read Frans de Waal "Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex Among Apes". Power and sex seem to be interlinked due to evolution: the more power one have, the more accessible sex and reproduction become. People are trying to break this link for some reasons (probably good reasons), but it is not so easy.
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