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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

WindyLakeReturn wrote: post #428
usrusr wrote: post #25

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It's really simple I think: the vast majority of "transactions" won't be well defined "do x to get y" offers but just things that may or may not change certain odds. There's an entire spectrum between the extremes of pure romantic love and list price prostitution and I believe that the point were you really can't fool yourself anymore can be surprisingly far from the former.

Is pure romantic love devoid of transactions? Many couples involve two people giving commitment and expecting commitment back. Sure, not all couples are so monogamous, but many if not most are. People have expectations of what to receive from a relationship and when they don't, they consider ending the relationship. Point out a one sided romantic relationship people will tell you to find someone better for you. Sure,…

Romantic love is definitely transactional, just like everything else. We are animals in a physical world, after all. Anyone who says that they love someone truly without conditions just hasn't had enough of their conditions broken to know that they have them. I say this as a happily married person going on fifteen years. Our marriage is romantic, sure, but it's also a deal, and you're both putting stuff into the deal and getting stuff out of it to make it work. The romance wouldn't work without the rest of it.

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Post by jlawson »

blt wrote: post #401
jlawson wrote: post #263

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Turing wasn't 'canceled' for being gay. He was prosecuted by the government according to the laws of the time, by police. Cancel culture is extra-legal and does not involve the use of laws or police. Cancel culture is also distinct from politicians and infidelity because cancel culture targets non-public individuals . Of course politicians and celebrities were always subject to public opinion; the modern era now mean…

> The McCarthy era was again a matter of government action through government processes with at least some level of transparency, democratic representation, and accountability. It was not spontaneous mobs of individuals without leaders or any kind of accountability. How were the perpetrators of McCarthyism held accountable?

Took 5 seconds to look up on Wikipedia:

"With the highly publicized Army–McCarthy hearings of 1954, and following the suicide of Wyoming Senator Lester C. Hunt that same year,[12] McCarthy's support and popularity faded. On December 2, 1954, the Senate voted to censure Senator McCarthy by a vote of 67–22, making him one of the few senators ever to be disciplined in this fashion."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy#Censure_and_th...

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by th0ma5 »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #443

It depends on the company. I worked at a large international bank where we had a couple dozen project managers that would travel abroad for 2-6 weeks at a time. We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abr…

Balls out actually refers to engine govenors. Additionally if a person AMAB is transitioning you may well not call them men, but if you asked I guess I would take your word for it.

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Post by da_big_ghey »

jounker wrote: post #464
armchairhacker wrote: post #228

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IMO the main issue with cancel culture is when it targets people who are innocent or gives unreasonable punishments for small mistakes. Those being cancelled are tried in the court of social media, where critics attack without evidence or even knowing the accusations. The accused' friends and employers fear being associated with the accused, even if they ultimately get cleared of any wrongdoing, and they can sue for…

There is no such thing as cancel culture. It is a rhetorical device created to shift blame, allowing perpetrators of injustices to claim that they are really the victims.

Define injustice. Are you talking about serious hate crimes, i.e. physical violence? "Softer" but still awful actions, such as discriminatory hiring practices? Or impolitic comments that cause no actual harm? If you are talking about the first two, they are not merely injustices but crimes with legal (often criminal) remedies.

Cancel culture typically refers to instances of the third option, someone saying something mean and having his life ruined for it. A good example: a guy's business was ruined because his daughter wrote some mean things online as a kid. https://forward.com/news/448382/the-ceo-of-holy-land-hummus-... They were certainly bad, and her parents ought to chastise and punish her for them. But neither she nor her father should face "cancellation". I feel just as sorry for her; she may never get into college or get a good job because of this. These weren't "injustices"; no man was harmed.

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Post by beaconstudios »

Communitivity wrote: post #129

I saw comments talking about a hypothetical utopia where no one needs to go hungry and where talent gets notice without having to sell their body or soul. As with many things, the problem is not technological. We have the technology to create such a utopia (there would still be other problems, but the world would be utopian from those aspects). The problem is sociological. In order to do this we need to both all work…

[edit] having just read https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ as posted by /u/phreack, it turns out Scott Alexander has already written what I wrote below, point by point, much more eloquently than I ever could. Read that instead of this comment, if you have the time.

The problem is that bad behaviour is incentivised. It's like the prisoner's dilemma - what you're wishing for is for everyone to cooperate, even though any given individual stands to benefit from betrayal - some individuals will betray, and in an iterated prisoner's dilemma others will see that "crime pays" so to speak and do the same.

What we need to do as a society is to reshape the incentives, through systems engineering, so that the best incentives encourage cooperation. This is a herculean task, I have no idea whether it's even possible, and if it is, who would be in a position to enact such widespread societal changes. But as long as one can personally benefit from a collective harm (or even just reducing the collective benefit), collective harm will be done.

I think some of these arguments are Marxist ones, to be honest - but so far, Marxist attempts to reorganise society have produced even worse societies. I think the only way forwards is incrementalism, tweaking our social structures little by little in the right direction, as total societal reinvention was clearly a catastrophe when attempted.

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Post by farfacy »

ratww wrote: post #403
diob wrote: post #280

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This is why I don't understand the massive cultural obsession over KPOP. It's one of the grossest abusive industries, and anyone who wants to know is able to do a simple google to find out. Those fans? They could use their collective economic impact to help those folks they "love". Instead they just let them get used and abused for their fantasy.

I don't see that changing. I see K-pop fans worshipping the companies as much as they worship the artists themselves. It's a bit dystopic. As much as the old music industry sucks, at least established artists had power.

What Kpop fans are these? None of the Big 3 Kpop companies are worshiped and the men who founded them are hated. Smaller Kpop companies are not worshiped either. There's some BTS fans who like Big Hit but that's about it.

Example of an established artist with power

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSo9NTb1llI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGW99ilZ7oQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFELwBpskpU

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Post by toyg »

yowlingcat wrote: post #474
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #471

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how is it possible to have a 400k per month cocaine habit? was he giving it to his 100 closest friends every day?

You would be surprised at how quickly tolerance builds up once someone gets ahold of the good stuff. Considering that this guy is in Berlin, it's probably not as cheap as it is close to the source. Even so, at $300 an eight ball, that's roughly 44 eight balls a day, or roughly 2-4 an hour depending on how hard he's partying. It certainly is on the heavier side of usage profiles I've heard of.

Prices used to be higher too, in the past.

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Post by eternalban »

DTE wrote: post #408
joe_the_user wrote: post #377

Theorist Guy Debord spoke of the Mafia and the recording industry. In the United States at least, it is already in the recording industry, as in every other activity where publicity of a product depends on a quite concentrated number of people. It is easy to apply pressure to them, with bribes and intimidation, since there is obviously quite a great deal of capital and hitmen who can not be recognized nor punished. B…

The "Society of the Spectacle" is a wonderfully enigmatic take on media and tech. Highly recommended.

[You sent me searching]

Published by "Bureau of Public Secrets":

http://www.bopsecrets.org/cat.htm

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Post by skissane »

sokoloff wrote: post #479
skissane wrote: post #472

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> I think the individual victim certainly has some interest in the punishment outcomes, but the state also has a proper interest. Neither holds a monopoly The state holds a monopoly. All the victim gets, is the right to be consulted by the prosecution, but the prosecution is free to ignore the victim's opinion, as they have done repeatedly in this case. Geimer asked the courts to drop the case, because she was sick o…

I was making a moral argument on whether the state has a monopoly. Of course the state holds a legal monopoly on the punishment.

But the state could give the victims rights. The state could give the victim the right to discontinue the prosecution against the state's wishes. The state doesn't give the victim that right, because the state cares more about its own power than about the victim.

Of course there is the risk that victims might move for leniency due to psychological domination, grooming, threats, etc. However, I don't think that is what is happening in Geimer's case, when decades later, as an adult woman, she is asking for the prosecution to be discontinued – indeed, I think to suggest that is happening in her case is deny her agency, to continue her disempowerment. I think the system could be designed to have safeguards against those risks while still giving victims such as Geimer some legal rights over the proceedings. So that would not mean giving victims an absolute right, but a relative right, as opposed to no right which is what they have now.

If a thirteen year old girl doesn't want her abuser to be prosecuted, I think it is legitimate to disregard that on the grounds that as a minor she doesn't understand her own best interests. But when she says the same thing forty years later, to refuse to listen to her, as the California court system has done to Geimer, is to treat a grown woman as a thirteen year old. That's insulting.

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Post by c22 »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #443

It depends on the company. I worked at a large international bank where we had a couple dozen project managers that would travel abroad for 2-6 weeks at a time. We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abr…

That porn server sounds like a huge liability. Did you have any vetting process to make sure it didn't accidentally collect child porn or other illicit images?
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