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Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by pferde »

rleigh wrote: post #81
mnd999 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NNTP is a standard. I use eternal-september.

I joined a couple of years back, but came away disappointed. All the groups I followed 20 years back are pale shadows of their former selves, filled with spam. And most of those were big in the day and included the comp.lang.c|c++ and a few of the comp.os groups. There's still a need for usenet, and I'd love to participate if there was anyone worth talking to. But it needs fixing first.

comp.misc is still going strong. It has been "taken over" by people running away from Slashdot when it got "corporatized" some years back, and has some interesting discussions from time to time.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by tannhaeuser »

Tomte wrote: post #16
chmod775 wrote: post #6

If that group was relying on Google, that's on them at this point. If you use any Google product, you better have an alternative ready. There's no telling when Google will either shut the product down, or just ban you.

They don't. It's a Usenet group. Google bought Dejanews and was an acceptable Usenet archive, for a time. Then Google put the Usenet groups under the same umbrella as their proprietary groups. Then their index became spotty (and you could retrieve some posts under groups.google.com, but not groups.google.de, or vice versa). Today, Google Groups is near useless for Usenet.

The default assumption for interpreting Google's actions is always that they want to close down communication channels they can't inject their ads into and/or can't control as a monopoly. Such that the fscking web with their millions of trackers dominated by G becomes the only form of digital communication possible. As happened with Usenet, XMPP, MMS, HTML/browsers, etc.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by neilwilson »

liquidise wrote: post #62
dsr_ wrote: post #7

Oh, Google. You never quite figured out adulthood, and now senescence is setting in.

Great word. For those like me: senescence (noun) the condition or process of deterioration with age. • loss of a cell's power of division and growth.

I resemble that comment

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by ruined »

gigatexal wrote: post #160
blt wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is hilarious. I could see something similar happening on HN today.

Dang et al would never let it happen.

Personal attacks are not cool on HN. We ban accounts that post like that. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do it again.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by Brian_K_White »

hvocode wrote: post #109
andybak wrote: post #75

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Dunno. History matters and historians would probably strongly disagree. Some things are more important than you think. Too much gets lost too easily.

Not everything is deserving of being treated as historical artifacts worthy of retention. A friend has lamented that when he was in college in the late 80s, he used USENET as a way to connect with people and work through some pretty heavy emotional challenges. Retaining his personal struggles is hardly "history" - if anything, the historical value of retaining the struggles of one inconsequential person is far lower…

Every single minute detail is exactly equally important, because you, nor I, nor anyone, has any idea what will be important or why it will be important.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by gostsamo »

hvocode wrote: post #109
andybak wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno. History matters and historians would probably strongly disagree. Some things are more important than you think. Too much gets lost too easily.

Not everything is deserving of being treated as historical artifacts worthy of retention. A friend has lamented that when he was in college in the late 80s, he used USENET as a way to connect with people and work through some pretty heavy emotional challenges. Retaining his personal struggles is hardly "history" - if anything, the historical value of retaining the struggles of one inconsequential person is far lower…

You'd be surprised from what is considered history. Nowadays, insights into the lives and emotions of ordinary people are considered invaluable tool in recreating the past: the context in which political, economical, and cultural developments happened. In fact, the spontaneous nature of certain artifacts makes them more valuable, because what we would call "official history" is always editorialized and subject to the influence of only few people and not produced by the entire society it originates from.

It is something that I've thought about - the contradiction between privacy and the need to communicate yourself to the generations to come and the broadcast into the void it requires. If your friend is okay with his privacy in the archives, he might be glad to know that in hundred years, there will be an AI whose PHD will be on the emotional significance of new technologies in the lives of early adopters of the Internet, the case of user John Smith 1988.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by Brian_K_White »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #85
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #42

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> " ... complete archive of ... Usenet " sotto voce > Usenet postings were never meant to be permanent. I was there in its heyday and nobody expected their postings to live beyond the spool expiration lifetime.

It took years but all of my old Usenet posts eventually were removed. The people running archives tended to be real jerks about it - I’m pretty sure a couple of them got off on telling me no with long hand typed explanations, but in the end most of them were running archives on their employer’s equipment and when they switched jobs, got let go, or retired they couldn’t take it with them and nobody else wanted to main…

The jerk was someone publishing something publicly, voluntarily, then perversely trying to make anyone who might have saved their copies of the thing you gave them, delete them.

I'm amazed anyone gave you the time if day. I can't imagine I'd have even answered. I certainly never signed any kind of copyright agreement when I started posting on BBS's or newsgroups.

Somewhere on one or more old hard drives somewhere I may have a few years of whatever groups I was into at the time, and I tell you now, on this new similar public forum, I will not bother digging out and scanning all my old drives to find anything to remove it, and I will not promise never to add them to any public archive.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by gigatexal »

ruined wrote: post #164
gigatexal wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dang et al would never let it happen.

Personal attacks are not cool on HN. We ban accounts that post like that. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do it again.

Wait what? I was singing HN’s moderators namely Dang. There’s no personal attack here.

If it’s not clear I was saying bannable speech and such would not be tolerated here because of the good moderation.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by welterde »

guerrilla wrote: post #134

Excuse my ignorance but was comp.lang.c active? Is any of Usenet still active? I haven't used it in like 20 years and wouldn't even know which NNTP host to connect to.

It still looks fairly active - not completely drowned out by spam coming from google..

As for NNTP access: eternal-september.org might be an option, but there are still quite a few NNTP servers ticking with open registration.

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