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Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by simonblack »

cmroanirgo wrote: post #97
andybak wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno. History matters and historians would probably strongly disagree. Some things are more important than you think. Too much gets lost too easily.

And yet Eric Schmidt says (2010)* we should change our name... Because everything is always kept https://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/google-ceo-eric-schmid... * It's ironic I'm referring to a 10yr old piece to refer to the danger of continuous archives.

Not really, that information gradually gets bit-rot and evaporates away to nothingness as website after website gets old and vanishes.

In the early days of the Internet, I often used to Google/AltaVista/Jeeves my own name. There used to be quite a few hits. Over the years, those old hits have just faded away.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by vlovich123 »

ineedasername wrote: post #88
blt wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is hilarious. I could see something similar happening on HN today.

It shouldn't matter whether or not it's hilarious. Attempts at humor often fall flat on the internet and are somewhat frowned on per HN guidelines. You're objectively wrong and anyone who agrees should chime in to say so. Disagree? Fine, but come to this thread to tell us why. #s

Humor is an integral part of the human experience and connecting with someone else. Saying “ban humor” leaves the community very sterile.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by rtsil »

a3n wrote: post #55
threevox wrote: post #47

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Quite aptly put. It's entering the "ending with a whimper" phase

We'll know they're done when this happens: "google.com has been identified as containing spam, malware, or other malicious content."

We're not that far. I've had emails sent by google classified as spam by gmail.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by quercusa »

cmroanirgo wrote: post #97
andybak wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno. History matters and historians would probably strongly disagree. Some things are more important than you think. Too much gets lost too easily.

And yet Eric Schmidt says (2010)* we should change our name... Because everything is always kept https://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/google-ceo-eric-schmid... * It's ironic I'm referring to a 10yr old piece to refer to the danger of continuous archives.

In 2001, it was Scott McNealy :

https://nerocam.com/DrFun/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200108/df20010808.jp...

If you are not familiar with Dr. Fun: Don Knuth Finally Sells Out https://nerocam.com/DrFun/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200002/df20000210.jp...

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by chasd00 »

dleslie wrote: post #70
pm24601 wrote: post #64

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> it will also drive to isolationism, This separation would be good. It would mean that LGBTI humans would be able to find their own communities without cispeople getting weirded out. Right now everything about my gender is verboten because it is sexualized. Overreliance on youtube means that medical information around gender issues has to be "coded" so as to not trigger banning. Facebook outs people with their stupi…

Remember when gay and lesbian bars were a thing; back when straight people steered clear of them because of the stigma? Not having the stigma is good overall, but in many places there's no longer queer-exclusive spaces. That whole segment of culture is rapidly becoming a thing of the past.

Isn’t that a good thing though? This reminds me of the people complaining cochlear implants are destroying deaf culture.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by vzaliva »

jozefjarosciak wrote: post #91

Hi Folks, I have archives of comp.lang.c group going back 35 years (1986-2021) and when I saw this news I decided to prioritize this one and just started synchronizing it into my archive. In a couple of hours, you should be able to see all of the posts ever made to: comp.lang.c group over at my Usenet Archives: Here it is, enjoy: https://usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=comp.lang.c&y=0&r=... BTW. I just reworked ent…

First of all, thank you for making this available. However without Search functionality the utility of this archive is very limited.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by throw0101a »

jozefjarosciak wrote: post #91

Hi Folks, I have archives of comp.lang.c group going back 35 years (1986-2021) and when I saw this news I decided to prioritize this one and just started synchronizing it into my archive. In a couple of hours, you should be able to see all of the posts ever made to: comp.lang.c group over at my Usenet Archives: Here it is, enjoy: https://usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=comp.lang.c&y=0&r=... BTW. I just reworked ent…

His weblog post on this work:

* https://www.joe0.com/2020/10/07/converting-utzoo-wiseman-net...

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25036780

Interview with Henry Spencer, who a lot of these early archives came from (along with Wiseman, who extracted the tapes):

* https://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/spencer.html

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Spencer

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by Minor49er »

vlovich123 wrote: post #102
ineedasername wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It shouldn't matter whether or not it's hilarious. Attempts at humor often fall flat on the internet and are somewhat frowned on per HN guidelines. You're objectively wrong and anyone who agrees should chime in to say so. Disagree? Fine, but come to this thread to tell us why. #s

Humor is an integral part of the human experience and connecting with someone else. Saying “ban humor” leaves the community very sterile.

You missed the "#s" at the end of the parent post

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

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Post by hvocode »

andybak wrote: post #75
hvocode wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. I've met a number of old farts like me who were not thrilled when what we assumed was transient had been archived. I'm not a big fan of the opt-out model of archiving where archivers just assume that they have implied consent to grab anything and everyone from everyone who hasn't explicitly said no.

Dunno. History matters and historians would probably strongly disagree. Some things are more important than you think. Too much gets lost too easily.

Not everything is deserving of being treated as historical artifacts worthy of retention. A friend has lamented that when he was in college in the late 80s, he used USENET as a way to connect with people and work through some pretty heavy emotional challenges. Retaining his personal struggles is hardly "history" - if anything, the historical value of retaining the struggles of one inconsequential person is far lower than the direct impact a google search has on his life today. So as you said, some things aren't as important as you think - in his case, privacy and respect are a bit more important than a historical record of a teenager seeking people to talk to. Every minute detail of history isn't as important as you think.
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