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Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by sydd »

p410n3 wrote: post #9

This happens again and again. I have had that happen to my twitter account. I see this regulary on HN. My suspicion is that this is mostly happening because platforms that big like google or twitter rely very heavily on machine learning and other AI related technology to ban people. Because honestly, the amount of spam and abuse that are likely happening on these platforms has to be mind boggling high. So I get why t…

> Why would they continue like that. Isn't there one single PR person at Google?

Because they can afford it, they are a monopoly

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Post by gambiting »

fredgrott wrote: post #303
anthony_r wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not seeing the other side of the coin - the huge amount of spam and abuse that such systems correctly identify and remove. If every abuser requests those explanations (which they will) there will be far more spam going around the Internet. Just think about the army of "Facebook content moderators" who were a popular topic on HN recently due to the concerns over their mental health. (I am offering no solutions…

no if the AI can be used to automate the banning it can be used to provide the electronic news email of the rule violated.

Well their main argument against it is that if you don't tell scammers which rule exactly they are breaking they can't improve until the app is approved. But of course that hits normal customers too. It's the equivalent of arresting random people on the street and not telling them why - surely, innocent people will just get their lawyer to free them.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by donatj »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #333
_qulr wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If every abuser requests those explanations (which they will) It's not a request, it's a requirement. If your account is suspended, you deserve an explanation. You should get one without having to request it. I'm not saying that companies shouldn't be able to suspend accounts temporarily. I'm simply saying that there needs to be a way to get your account unsuspended if you're innocent. The way it "works" now is tha…

For the record, they don't give away these explanations because such explanation would hint the spammer to what they should _not_ do next time, to avoid getting caught. Same as with anticheat software.

It would also give non-spammers a better understanding of why they were banned and teach them to be better humans. It’s this lack of empathy that’s leading to more and more anger online.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by detritus »

As an aside - what benefit is there to having a game such as Terraria on Stadia in the first place? It has fairly low system requirements, and given how much energy is eaten up by server-side rendering and streaming, it seems wasteful in this context.

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Post by scrollaway »

sparkling wrote: post #91
scrollaway wrote: post #85

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Utterly untrue. AWS is not a 'systematic risk', that's absolutely ridiculous and I can't even begin to address that statement.

The recent Parler incident is proof otherwise. If you happen to cause any inconvenience for them, you are at risk of being cut off.

Being an alt-right/neo-nazi content host is a systematic risk. Nothing particularly shocking about that. Doesn't have much to do with AWS, tbh.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by wcoenen »

paulsutter wrote: post #335
anthony_r wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not seeing the other side of the coin - the huge amount of spam and abuse that such systems correctly identify and remove. If every abuser requests those explanations (which they will) there will be far more spam going around the Internet. Just think about the army of "Facebook content moderators" who were a popular topic on HN recently due to the concerns over their mental health. (I am offering no solutions…

Perhaps the process should cost $100 or $500, so that actual spammers can’t use it Maybe they really just need to offer a paid account option with real support, since that has much better incentives

There is a paid option: for $6/month you can use gmail with your own domain name. It's targeted at businesses but you can use it as an individual.

https://workspace.google.com/pricing.html

It includes support, but I'm not sure if that helps in cases where google thinks you have abused the service. I just use it because I like having my own domain, and so that I don't lose access to my email if google locks me out. The idea is that I can update my domain's MTX records and use another email service.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by Macha »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #333
_qulr wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If every abuser requests those explanations (which they will) It's not a request, it's a requirement. If your account is suspended, you deserve an explanation. You should get one without having to request it. I'm not saying that companies shouldn't be able to suspend accounts temporarily. I'm simply saying that there needs to be a way to get your account unsuspended if you're innocent. The way it "works" now is tha…

For the record, they don't give away these explanations because such explanation would hint the spammer to what they should _not_ do next time, to avoid getting caught. Same as with anticheat software.

When someone is in court on charges of child abuse, maybe we don't want them to know in case they (After serving their sentence) or their friends go for reprisals. Maybe the next child abuser might know their likely avenue of getting caught. Yet still we tell them the charges and evidence and give them a chance to defend themselves. Often in my country, given the damage such allegations could cause to both the victim and alleged (but not yet proven) perpetrator, we don't even reveal the identities of culprits until there's a guilty verdict.

If we can extend that courtesy to people accused of child abuse, surely we should extend it to people accused of internet spam?

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Post by daemin »

daemin wrote: post #311
_qulr wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If every abuser requests those explanations (which they will) It's not a request, it's a requirement. If your account is suspended, you deserve an explanation. You should get one without having to request it. I'm not saying that companies shouldn't be able to suspend accounts temporarily. I'm simply saying that there needs to be a way to get your account unsuspended if you're innocent. The way it "works" now is tha…

I heard on a podcast recently that a trading system needs to keep logs of why a particular trade was executed for several years just in case the authority wants it. So it isn't too much effort to build a similar report or log of behaviour to explain why someone was banned. Obviously this will also help the spammers who will use this information to get around the filters.

Podcast link: https://www.twoscomplement.org/, I think it was the latest episode.

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Post by me_me_me »

RL_Quine wrote: post #309
me_me_me wrote: post #265

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Most of those people are children, or adult-children. Anyone else just doesn't care. I think this is just a case of very vocal minority. Who reasonable is exited about Stadia anyways? I don't think it will last till next year without being slashed by google.

Definitely need to make a betting site based on the death date of google products. I wager 18 months.

Apparently they killed the Stadia Game studio after a year.

As if you could create a big impact game from (or near) scratch in a year xD

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Post by martinko »

jug wrote: post #55

This makes me anxious about my long time Gmail address. Back then I got it just because it and Google was cool, and their services had a good reputation. It was a different Google back then. If they had launched it this year I would never have got one because chances are it would have been cancelled by 2025. Gmail is really the only valuable thing that actually ties my life to Google. And it's not that hard to replac…

I've been making the switch (slowly) over the past year. Had a gmail from the early days, when it was invite only. Now moving to a combo of protonmail + custom domain, and I couldn't be happier.
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