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> HN is now nothing more than an echo chamber that seems to promote only one kind of narrative Yeah the correct and the logically sound kind :) For everything else there are government cosy media channels
Yeah sure. You can choose to believe whatever you want.
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“ If anything the Indian media absolutely loves to troll and embarass the government, “...” I would suggest the media in India is far freer of government influence than the mainstream media in the United States” This above argument is a joke. A good majority of the mainstream media in India are paid for and/or afraid of the current government. There is plenty to be said about this but I want to stick with farm bill i…
These articles are precisely the kind of trolling a lot of Indian media does. There is a law that authorizes the government to set an MSP. That is precisely all an actual piece of legislation should do. Governments and administrative bureaucracies need flexibility to function. The details in any sane government are worked out by administrative rule making which is constrained by other laws. This authority is used by…
Three Bills,
First one is giving the freedom to sell produce anywhere instead of designated grain markets. Sounds good? Until you realise that Grain Markets Officials were there kind of observers (at least in the spirit of law). Now Companies with teams of lawyers can deal directly with illiterate of private farmers. the las specifically gives only DM as highest arbiter in event of disagreement.
Second one is giving freedom to store produce as much as one wants. Sounds good on paper until you realise most of the produce (wheat, rice, veggies, anything) need special environment to store. Which private farmers lack & only Adani Ambani have access to those modernized silos. Guess who is going to buy it cheaply at harvesting season & then store it for months/years & release the produce to market to maintain the artificial scarcity? Sounds similar to modern diamond industry.
Third One, removing the MSP, Minimum Support Price. Anybody can pay as high as they want to buy the produce in open market. Ambani gave free 1GB internet for two years to drive out the competition in mobile network market. Its a known business plan in SV to bleed money to drive other competitors out. Ambani's competitors are small scale flour mills, shop owners, contartors, small scale sellers. Guess who will be out of business in 2-x years by Ambani's unlimited money & guvernment support?
Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi
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> Even if reliance gets to benefit, is the farmer being harmed for it? Poor farmer has a lot to gain from this bill. They get supply of funds right from by muting seeds and fertilisers to having assured income. Just paint the “industrialist” as the monster and destroy away? Do you miss out on the huge number of HN discussions talking about the damaging effects of monopolization by BigTech players? Now imagine if you'…
So you sell in the old mandi system? Which had the monopoly until now.
Mandi is a designated physical space, market, where any buyer & seller can transact; & government mandi officials will record & observe all transactions for data logging, & to keep the issues away. Nobody has monopoly, anybody can come & buy. Think of it as a kind of transaction between a craigslist buyer & seller at local police station.
If buyer & seller trust each other, like between my family & farmers in out village, we used to buy the produce directly from their home.
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Even if this were actually true at larger scale (than at most a few isolated cases played up), the comparison of the righteous anger of starving farmers with that of propaganda-fed Americans is not really helpful.
These are not starving farmers. Punjab has the richest farmers, I feel you are just associating the word poor, starving with farmers.
Any sources? Punjab has one of the highest suicide rate in farmers. 3300 in last 10 years [1].
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Too deep. I don't like deep comments since it usually means its going nowhere. But assuming you are sincere in your effort to answer the question(Which question I have refused to answer ? I made quite clear where I stand as far as the RSS or the farmer protests are concerned.). So once again, OP(not you unless you are alt!) said that RSS are religious terrorists because of their activities. Now as as i know they have…
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Yes. That is correct. But is it applied consistently. The op I responded was calling a group terrorist. I see many comments attacking a religion. I don't any reply suggestion a ban for these. Or I can't see those messages? Whatever be consistent.
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So if some members of a group were involved in these activities do you blame the whole group? Are you consistent with you beliefs on labeling groups?
Being labeled a fascist has no meaning these days. If someone does not agree with your opinion you are a fascist :)
Except that RSS is actually modeled after Italian fascism, and this is not a secret or anything. I was actually being literal there.
Moonje in 1931 went to Italy to learn from Mussolini about fascist organization and ideology, to use it for shaping RSS.
Here is a quote; "“The Balilla institutions and the conception of the whole organisation have appealed to me most, though there is still not discipline and organisation of high order. The whole idea is conceived by Mussolini for the military regeneration of Italy. Italians, by nature, appear ease-loving and non-martial like the Indians generally. They have cultivated, like Indians, the work of peace and neglected the cultivation of the art of war. Mussolini saw the essential weakness of his country and conceived the idea of the Balilla organisation.... Nothing better could have been conceived for the military organisation of Italy.... The idea of fascism vividly brings out the conception of unity amongst people.... India and particularly Hindu India need some such institution for the military regeneration of the Hindus: so that the artificial distinction so much emphasised by the British of martial and non-martial classes amongst the Hindus may disappear. Our institution of Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh of Nagpur under Dr Hedgewar is of this kind, though quite independently conceived. I will spend the rest of my life in developing and extending this Institution of Dr Hedgewar all throughout the Maharashtra and other provinces.”
https://frontline.thehindu.com/cover-story/moonje-amp-mussol...
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Yes. That is correct. But is it applied consistently. The op I responded was calling a group terrorist. I see many comments attacking a religion. I don't any reply suggestion a ban for these. Or I can't see those messages? Whatever be consistent.
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Does a US company contracting with say a Chinese company to produce its products help or hurt Chinese workers? I think it would help Chinese workers by increasing employment in China and generally improving the Chinese economy.
Exporting environmental waste, abusive workplace exploitation, unsafe practices and lack of self-reliance, are the counter arguments. We need a healthy mix of both, not the extremes.
My thought is that the more wealthy a country becomes, the more it can push back on environmental waste, and the more workplace regulations its workers can demand.
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Yes. That is correct. But is it applied consistently. The op I responded was calling a group terrorist. I see many comments attacking a religion. I don't any reply suggestion a ban for these. Or I can't see those messages? Whatever be consistent.
We certainly intend to and try to apply the rules consistently, but the problem is that we can't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here. If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. One thing's clear: political/nationalistic/religious flamewar is not ok on HN reg…
I don't see any flagging link. I am not for or against, just wanted to point out the inconsistencies. I can't anyway flag, so would stay away from those threads.