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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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bsan3 wrote: post #9
actuator wrote: post #5

Sadly as much as I hate seeing essential communication links cut, though I don't have any data I am assuming a lot of people are going to buy in the public safety angle. It is not like the Indian state hasn't used that line of reasoning before for even bans lasting more than a year. Reading through the linked article on the violence related to the same protests that happened few days back reminded me of some tweets I…

Nope, complete propaganda by the Indian govt. I have family there so I can confirm. The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures. Social media is where they can't control the narrative. The Indian govt unleash sate sanctioned mobs on these protestors, desperate resort to break up the protest. Now they had to ensure that the truth stays under wraps. Hen…

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by legolas2412 »

dragonsh wrote: post #75
quantgenius wrote: post #69

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Again you are parroting the same national agenda of the current Indian government of a Hindu state and Hindu way of living forcibly forced on every community in India. Recent example of local government passing laws to support groups and Organization who kill people who eat beef, another example of people of different religion marrying needs approval from state government (calling it law against love jihad). Not sure…

> In India a Muslim woman can choose special marriage act [1], where triple talaq is inapplicable. It’s not for you or majority to decide how that community should live.

I agree with you on general gist but not this. Seriously? You don't think muslim women are oppressed by these medieval age laws and need to be changed? You don't think bringing religion into laws was a horrible idea, and live jihad is just the other side of the picture of triple talaq laws? You can't just hate one side and turn blind to the evils of the other.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

eklavya wrote: post #176
AmericanChopper wrote: post #55

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> So if this not a protest against the farm bill, they should drop the facade then. The protest is against the farm Bill, which is seen as a further act of oppression against minority groups, from a government formed to serve only Hindu India. The agriculture industry in India is dominated by minorities, mainly Sikhs, and mainly Punjabis. The aggrieved parties here see this as an act of economic oppression, and if yo…

Sorry no, largest producer of wheat is Madhya Pradesh and not Punjab. Punjab has the richest farmers though.

Another lie (are you trying to compete with Modi :)

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1626703

Madhya Pradesh has lagged Punjab in wheat production although it is several times the size of Punjab in area.

The first slot is usually taken by UP or Punjab

http://agriexchange.apeda.gov.in/india%20production/India_Pr...

Note that I am citing governments records.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by legolas2412 »

kamaal wrote: post #155
quantgenius wrote: post #105

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Beef consumption has been forbidden in most Indian states since independence and supported by all political parties. It’s a state issue. The Central government cannot legislate on the subject, it’s on the state list of subjects. You are criticizing the central government for a law a bunch of state governments passed decades ago!! There is a Hindu Marriage Act and other religious marriage acts. The difference is all b…

>>Beef consumption has been forbidden in most Indian states since independence and supported by all political parties. Only 'Productive Cow(milk yielding)' slaughter was forbidden until recently. Karnataka(Ruled by same party as the center) recently banned all bovine slaughter. Farmers now say they will happily pass on the expenses to take care of unproductive cattle(calves, bulls and older bovines) to consumers in t…

And the reason all this happens is because a uniform civil code is unpalatable to muslims. We would be in a better place if we didn't have polygamy and good divorce, custody, alimony laws instead of religious laws.

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Post by sbmthakur »

xrisk wrote: post #284
sbmthakur wrote: post #279

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Why will anyone pay the Mandi cess if they are not operating in a Mandi?

Because the APMC has to pay the cess and they supply India's PDS and various important things? Or would you have them do away with those too?

I would have people directly pay to PDS instead going through another beaurocratic and potentially corrupt layer.

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Post by hesarenu »

rishav_sharan wrote: post #257
eklavya wrote: post #250

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Ok, how are they religious terrorists or fascists?

From RSSs role in the MK Gandhi's assassination, Gujrat's riots, to the Samjhauta Express bombings, Ajmer Dargah attacks, to the cow vigilatelism, beating up couples at valentine's day - the list is pretty long to consider RSS as Religious terrorists.

So if some members of a group were involved in these activities do you blame the whole group? Are you consistent with you beliefs on labeling groups?

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Post by wolfretcrap »

ngc248 wrote: post #272
rishav_sharan wrote: post #255

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When I think of media groups with anti-govt stand, NDTV and Telegraph are the only ones I can think of. Every one else seems to be part of the govt - media nexus or is central leaning.

Whole of media, all of the literary intelligentsia are left leaning. What are you talking about? NDTV, Hindu, Telegraph, Indian express, Deccan Herald all of em are against the BJP government. I am not railing against these media houses, it is their choice, but this meme that the government is controlling whatsapp, facebook, media etc needs to stop. No one talks about what congress was doing with cambridge analytics,…

>NDTV, Hindu, Telegraph, Indian express, Deccan Herald

Except NDTV all Indian media TV channels are pro government. They try very hard to statisfy government propoganda everywhere.

Indian express, telegraph, Deccan Harald - most average people in India watch TV news channels

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Post by aparsons »

boring_baduku wrote: post #308
aparsons wrote: post #264

Lived in India in the 1980s - going there on a spiritual journey (yes, I know) and stayed for a few years. When I left the country, two events had occurred for which I don’t think I’ll be able to see that country in a good light ever again. The first was the anti-Sikh riots after Indira Gandhi’s murder. Politicians were compliant, including the newly elected PM Rajiv Gandhi who at the time famously said “When a tree…

Both the things you are talking about were perpetrated by the Congress party. The current crisis is also their gift. Why are you generalizing the country based on that? It seems you just witnessed these things but never understood why they happened and who were the perpetrators.

I posted it expecting downvotes. On the surface, yes I am generalizing the country. But really - and perhaps I should have made it more clear - the reason for my disillusionment were structural/cultural issues:

- Willingness to oppress people, and keep the oppressed down when you’re supposed to be helping them. Current events are very relevant to the past events.

- Party-over-people politics and crippling corruption - regardless of party

- Hindu extremism (brahmanism to be specific) - current government is very much guilty of this

- Rape and weaponization of rape - cultural issue across India. Will not be fixed for a long time - it is engrained in the fabric of their society.

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Post by sbmthakur »

middleclick wrote: post #329
sbmthakur wrote: post #216

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Why shouldn't the SC ask that question? They are not issuing a diktat. It's a large group and a certain degree of coercion, even if small, is likely involved. It's only now that it's coming out in open. https://www.freepressjournal.in/viral/protest-or-pay-a-fine-... We are talking about areas around Delhi where women and children have much less liberty when compared to other regions of India.

Why should they? If they had done basic research, they wouldn't even have come up something as asinine as this. Fact: women contribute to farm work as much as men in Punjab: https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/in-punjab-women-take-c... . So women are a part of the protest because they are also affected by this. Why even bring this up at all? > We are talking about areas around Delhi where women and children have mu…

There's no need for personal attacks. You have conviniently ignored the link I shared that indicates coercion. While it's great that women actively participate in events in Punjab, a quick glance at the difference between male and female litery rates shows there's some distance to cover. Being better than UP and Bihar isn't exactly an achievement. My comment didn't even specially talk about Punjab. The protests also include people from other states and one of those has a really bad reputation for treatment of household women.

As for the SC, that's what we will get when there are strong rules around Contempt of Court.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by hesarenu »

webmobdev wrote: post #104
wolfretcrap wrote: post #81

Truth is somewhere in between: 1. It's true that media is controlled by Government now. It wasn't the case before this government came into action. 2. It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmeri…

You have totally bought the government misinformation on the protest when you say: > It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. No. These protests are organised by the opposition political parties of India through the farm unions they run or are affiliated with, not by brokers. And they are happening to address the legitimate grievances of the farmers. Farming…

The law does not force them to sell to anywone. Farmers can sell directly to people.
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