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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by sbmthakur »

bsan3 wrote: post #9
actuator wrote: post #5

Sadly as much as I hate seeing essential communication links cut, though I don't have any data I am assuming a lot of people are going to buy in the public safety angle. It is not like the Indian state hasn't used that line of reasoning before for even bans lasting more than a year. Reading through the linked article on the violence related to the same protests that happened few days back reminded me of some tweets I…

Nope, complete propaganda by the Indian govt. I have family there so I can confirm. The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures. Social media is where they can't control the narrative. The Indian govt unleash sate sanctioned mobs on these protestors, desperate resort to break up the protest. Now they had to ensure that the truth stays under wraps. Hen…

There have been multiple reports of cops suffering injuries.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/86-cops-injured-4-cases-file...

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#102

Post by xrisk »

eklavya wrote: post #99
davchana wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Own flags, which Indian Army encourages, allows, & make a new recruit to Swore upon when recruited. Same flag is the flag of that Regiment, saluted by Prime Ministrr on every Jan 26 parade on Punjab state's vehicle (jhaanki, kind of vehicle is converted & decorated with things showing culture,). Same modi, whose Delhi Police tramples the Tiranga, whose party flies the Tiranga lower than party flag, whose mother party…

What are you talking about? Didn’t you see the national flag hoisting event in RSS headquarters live on the news like every year?

He's talking about the fact that the RSS did not raise the Indian flag till about 2002. And that their historical opposition to the flag is well documented.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by sbmthakur »

davchana wrote: post #94
alex_smart wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is plenty of propaganda floating around from both sides. If you dislike muddy waters, I would recommend staying out of Indian politics. It is a clusterfuck. To add to your top comment, these events - protestors attacking police personnel and protestors raiding Red Fort and raising their own flags - happened on republic day , which is like a mini 4th of July for India (we have two: 15th August, which is when Ind…

Own flags, which Indian Army encourages, allows, & make a new recruit to Swore upon when recruited. Same flag is the flag of that Regiment, saluted by Prime Ministrr on every Jan 26 parade on Punjab state's vehicle (jhaanki, kind of vehicle is converted & decorated with things showing culture,). Same modi, whose Delhi Police tramples the Tiranga, whose party flies the Tiranga lower than party flag, whose mother party…

Even if those true doesn't permit anyone to trespass RedFort and do as per their will.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

#104

Post by webmobdev »

wolfretcrap wrote: post #81

Truth is somewhere in between: 1. It's true that media is controlled by Government now. It wasn't the case before this government came into action. 2. It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmeri…

You have totally bought the government misinformation on the protest when you say:

> It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest.

No. These protests are organised by the opposition political parties of India through the farm unions they run or are affiliated with, not by brokers. And they are happening to address the legitimate grievances of the farmers.

Farming in India is done by millions of small farmers. That is why the broker system thrives (along with highly regulated market places) as it is easier to deal with brokers than with so many millions of farmers to procure in large-scale. Ofcourse, like in any economic system some people do find ways to abuse the system, but the regulated marketplace do ensure that farmers can get by (not thrive, but barely survive - the current system does need reforms and the farmers have been demanding changes for a long time too).

The new farm laws dismantle this regulated marketplaces, in the guise of "fixing" the broker system, but cleverly replaces them with corporates instead (by advocating and strengthening laws for contract farming in the favour corporate).

This makes the whole thing even more worse for the farmers, as their bargaining powers are further reduced. Many indian farmers are poor and uneducated but the government thinks it's completely ok to let them get into contract farming with corporates without any safety net or support.

This is why the farmers are demanding the repeal of the farm laws.

The government is hamstrung and chooses to be arrogant out of fear of appearing to be "weak" against the opposition, and so doesn't even engage with them. Matters have reached this level because the farm laws were undemocratically pushed through using the government's brute majority, without any proper discussions in public or parliamentary committee or even in Parliament.

In both the US and Europe, contract farming has seen the consolidation of farms under few corporates. Many political parties understandably do not want that to happen in india too.

- 1% of farms operate 70% of world's farmland: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/24/farmland...

- Contract farming as a means of ushering in corporatisation in agriculture: https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/fast-forward-to-co...

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by quantgenius »

dragonsh wrote: post #75
quantgenius wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Again you are parroting the same national agenda of the current Indian government of a Hindu state and Hindu way of living forcibly forced on every community in India. Recent example of local government passing laws to support groups and Organization who kill people who eat beef, another example of people of different religion marrying needs approval from state government (calling it law against love jihad). Not sure…

Beef consumption has been forbidden in most Indian states since independence and supported by all political parties. It’s a state issue. The Central government cannot legislate on the subject, it’s on the state list of subjects. You are criticizing the central government for a law a bunch of state governments passed decades ago!!

There is a Hindu Marriage Act and other religious marriage acts. The difference is all but the Muslim marriage acts essentially are very similar to typical western laws other than certain technical details like when in a ceremony a couple is considered married etc. The only exceptions to this are that under the Hindu Marriage Act multiple spouses are permitted with the consent of all spouses and ... well everything in the Muslim Marriage Act.

A Muslim woman can choose to be married under the special marriage act but most are not educated, don’t know they can, are pressured not to and it has to be done before marriage. It may forbid triple talaq but other provisions like custody and alimony still apply. And consider what it took to get even that passed. Protests, crazy ones just like for the CAA. And of course it’s repeal was one of the demands of the CAA protestors.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by eklavya »

dragonsh wrote: post #89
wolfretcrap wrote: post #81

Truth is somewhere in between: 1. It's true that media is controlled by Government now. It wasn't the case before this government came into action. 2. It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmeri…

> Truth is somewhere in between In current case it’s not somewhere in between, it’s just my way or highway kind. If you understand the nuances, India has many special laws for every community like Muslim, in India there is a Hindu marriage act which has many inconsistency so your point 3 is not correct. All those reforms are targeted at specific community to promote a narrative which follows dictatorial style to foll…

So Hindu and Christian marriage bills having different divorce timelines is the same as keeping Muslim women at the mercy of Muslim men where they can text a divorce? What kind of sick propaganda are you peddling in this whole thread? Can you name one civilised society where triple talaq and polygamy exclusively for men exists? It’s unfortunate that we can’t agree on this just because of our political leanings.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by quantgenius »

dragonsh wrote: post #75
quantgenius wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Again you are parroting the same national agenda of the current Indian government of a Hindu state and Hindu way of living forcibly forced on every community in India. Recent example of local government passing laws to support groups and Organization who kill people who eat beef, another example of people of different religion marrying needs approval from state government (calling it law against love jihad). Not sure…

Also to be married under the Special Marriage Act you can really only have a civil ceremony at a magistrates office. If you have a religious ceremony, it does not apply.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by davchana »

eklavya wrote: post #99
davchana wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Own flags, which Indian Army encourages, allows, & make a new recruit to Swore upon when recruited. Same flag is the flag of that Regiment, saluted by Prime Ministrr on every Jan 26 parade on Punjab state's vehicle (jhaanki, kind of vehicle is converted & decorated with things showing culture,). Same modi, whose Delhi Police tramples the Tiranga, whose party flies the Tiranga lower than party flag, whose mother party…

What are you talking about? Didn’t you see the national flag hoisting event in RSS headquarters live on the news like every year?

No, I want to see RSS every year as much as a True Indian want to see Pakistan Independence Day parade. Never.

RSS did not hoist Tiranga till 2002. Don't you know or you conveniently ignore?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by davchana »

sbmthakur wrote: post #103
davchana wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Own flags, which Indian Army encourages, allows, & make a new recruit to Swore upon when recruited. Same flag is the flag of that Regiment, saluted by Prime Ministrr on every Jan 26 parade on Punjab state's vehicle (jhaanki, kind of vehicle is converted & decorated with things showing culture,). Same modi, whose Delhi Police tramples the Tiranga, whose party flies the Tiranga lower than party flag, whose mother party…

Even if those true doesn't permit anyone to trespass RedFort and do as per their will.

Yes, agreed, & thats why 100s of Sikhs are now in Jails around Red Fort, without any access to Lawyer or Phone Calls. But Modi Bhakats are tweeting all the way Missing Indira Mummy. They also want to burn Sikhs just like any power hungry party, be it 1984 like Congress, 2002 like Godhra.
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