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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by aparsons »

boring_baduku wrote: post #378
aparsons wrote: post #338

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I posted it expecting downvotes. On the surface, yes I am generalizing the country. But really - and perhaps I should have made it more clear - the reason for my disillusionment were structural/cultural issues: - Willingness to oppress people, and keep the oppressed down when you’re supposed to be helping them. Current events are very relevant to the past events. - Party-over-people politics and crippling corruption…

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Question: Is there a pre-colonization “Indian” culture? I’m thinking not. The British unified disparate cultures, kingdoms, and races for ease of administration/exploitation. The country is so large - but more importantly- so different, that I don’t see how these tensions will disappear anytime soon.

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Post by selimthegrim »

quantgenius wrote: post #365
saagarjha wrote: post #71

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> The Act only codifies into law commitments the Indian Government made when India split into India and Pakistan. (Disclaimer: not an expert) As far as I understand it, the specific thing that is problematic is that the rule discriminates by religion. The original agreement did not, and even if it did, why would you want to take a policy enacted half a century ago and implement it unchanged without revising it to be…

To explain why the ACA was needed you first need to understand some history and facts on the ground. Pre 1947, India was all of modern day India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and parts of Afghanistan. When the country was partitioned, it was partitioned into Pakistan (modern day Pakistan and Bangladesh) which was set up as an explicitly Muslim nation with a state religion and an explicitly secular India which welcomed all re…

You do realize you are talking to someone with Ahmedi parents married in Rabwah whose forefathers belonged to Qadian? I never heard anything about CAB helping them. (and by the way, you spelled Mohajir wrong)

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by 19f191ty »

ngc248 wrote: post #235
19f191ty wrote: post #114

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More information has come out linking the violent folks to the ruling party. The farmers have said it's not their people. Indeed the leader of the group that entered Red Fort is a known BJP. There's a video of him running away when accosted by the farmers. It's such a mess.

Damn man the level of misinformation you guys are feeding in is at the next level. So which is it, the people who where rioting were actual farmers, sikhs or from BJP? In the same thread you guys are listing out all possible combinations. In India there are Farmer organizations, labour organizations etc of all parties. The current agitation is by farmer orgs belonging to opposition parties. This is just politics noth…

When the media fails to do its job then the people have to do it for them. Of course there will be condtradictory information coming in because the media has completely failed to provide a source of credible information. I'm not throwing out misinformation, but merely pointing out information that the OP missed and is available in reputable sources. There is A LOT of video evidence that points to BJP stooges inciting violence. The guy who hoisted the flag on Red Fort, Deep Siddhu is a known BJP supporter. Times of India , Indian Express, The Wire have all reported on this. Heck even Aj Tak had video where the BJP stooges are throwing stones at the protestors while an entire police battalion stands behind them doing nothing.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by hesarenu »

webmobdev wrote: post #387
hesarenu wrote: post #384

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Middle men are still there. They can still sell in mandis. It's not closed.

The buyers will now prefer the "contract farming" route to procurement, as the new farm laws has tilted the power in their favour. With the broker (and dismantling of the regulated marketplace) out of the picture, the corporates can now take even more advantage of the farmers. (Note that the brokers also manipulated the market on behalf of the corporates earlier, but eliminating them is now more favourable for them a…

Nothing had been eliminated. Mandi is there. Msp is there. The law provides additional avenue for farmers. They now have multiple choices. Sell to individuals users, corporates, mandis create their own like milk corporation.

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Post by vakataka »

aparsons wrote: post #391
boring_baduku wrote: post #378

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Question: Is there a pre-colonization “Indian” culture? I’m thinking not. The British unified disparate cultures, kingdoms, and races for ease of administration/exploitation. The country is so large - but more importantly- so different, that I don’t see how these tensions will disappear anytime soon.

Really? Then how did Hinduism develop over the entire subcontinent? Isn't that the Indian culture? The British did the opposite of uniting. They just ruled over the entire country.

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Post by aparsons »

vakataka wrote: post #396
aparsons wrote: post #391

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Question: Is there a pre-colonization “Indian” culture? I’m thinking not. The British unified disparate cultures, kingdoms, and races for ease of administration/exploitation. The country is so large - but more importantly- so different, that I don’t see how these tensions will disappear anytime soon.

Really? Then how did Hinduism develop over the entire subcontinent? Isn't that the Indian culture? The British did the opposite of uniting. They just ruled over the entire country.

Religion vs culture is a subtle but important difference. Religiously, India is not very diverse, but culturally- that is, along ethic, language and racial lines - it is probably the most diverse country in the world. I never claimed the Brits united India culturally (except perhaps over a shared hatred of the colonizer?), but rather administratively (which continues today)

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Post by dang »

ngc248 wrote: post #246

Dude, you really think, we Indians cant govern ourselves, I mean what is this calling your representatives. I think anytime anything happens to some minority in the the Great USA, us Indians also need to call our MP and ask them to create noise. I mean this is utterly condescending and racist.

You can't use HN for nationalistic flamewar, regardless of which side you're fighting for. Since that's all this account has done, we've banned it. You've created several accounts to do this with—that's abusive, so please stop.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25976320.

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Post by dang »

dragonsh wrote: post #137
quantgenius wrote: post #105

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Beef consumption has been forbidden in most Indian states since independence and supported by all political parties. It’s a state issue. The Central government cannot legislate on the subject, it’s on the state list of subjects. You are criticizing the central government for a law a bunch of state governments passed decades ago!! There is a Hindu Marriage Act and other religious marriage acts. The difference is all b…

> criticising the central government Conveniently leaving the truth that those state government which banned beef is same as central government (ruling central government party). People killed on suspicion of storing beef in home refrigerator is also perpetrated by central government party and its members (this is the reason no one got punished or prosecuted for mob killing). Central government has wide powers to ini…

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Post by dang »

davchana wrote: post #92
quantgenius wrote: post #69

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> The BJP is slowly reversing this and creating a situation where people are treated as Indians. Lol as much as strength you had in your post, this one fallacy has uncovered that you are a Modi Bhakat. BJP, RSS, Hindu Extremist's definition of Indian is, You are Indian as long as you vote & support them, otherwise Go To Pakistan, Tukre Tukre, Khalistani. Same religious flag is allowed & ebcouraged by Army when Sikh R…

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