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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Nope, complete propaganda by the Indian govt. I have family there so I can confirm. The Indian media is completely sold out to the govt and will only present highly selected and curated pictures. Social media is where they can't control the narrative. The Indian govt unleash sate sanctioned mobs on these protestors, desperate resort to break up the protest. Now they had to ensure that the truth stays under wraps. Hen…

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> The Act only codifies into law commitments the Indian Government made when India split into India and Pakistan.

(Disclaimer: not an expert) As far as I understand it, the specific thing that is problematic is that the rule discriminates by religion. The original agreement did not, and even if it did, why would you want to take a policy enacted half a century ago and implement it unchanged without revising it to be less prejudicial?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Just don’t bother trying to understand Indian politics, especially if are living outside the country. It is a mess beyond any understanding and just a waste of time.

This seems like the wrong way to go for a site made to gratify intellectual curiosity.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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So do you expect to send the army in in Punjab like 1990s Kashmir? Why was Modi’s handpicked LTG Murmu suddenly transferred when he came out in favor of restoring 4G? You have to have a plan to restore it, even your SC says so, you can’t just gazette new ordinance every day and do “the beatings will continue until morale improves”

In a democratic country, if you want to change policy you need to get elected. If you are a civil servant, you can advise but if the elected decision makers decide otherwise you either execute the orders or you resign. Allowing someone who refused to execute legal orders and who publicly expressed dissent to be transferred in this situation is actually recognition that healthy debate is good and speaking out in a democracy should not be punished, particular when the dissenter is an otherwise extremely competent individual working in the best interests of the country. It's certainly not something an authoritarian would do. However, elections have consequences. In the elections in question, twice, a majority of the supposedly oppressed group, Indian Muslims, has voted for the current government. Unless of course you believe that female Muslims or those male Muslims who want to live in the 21st century shouldn't count.

The Supreme Court determined that as a general matter communications should not be restricted and that any ordinance to restrict communications needed to be on the basis of a determination that restrictions were needed that was reaffirmed periodically. The Supreme Court could have required the government to restore mobile access to Kashmir as of a specific date and the government would have been compelled to do so. They didn't, because the Supreme Court of India like most of the silent majority in India understands that a citizen's rights only exist so long as the State itself exists. All rights can be suspended in an emergency. A bill of rights is not a suicide pact.

The restrictions are not a restriction on any individual or group. They are a restriction on a geographic area. The majority of state citizens of Kashmir, certainly a majority of the residents and descendants of residents of Kashmir in the 1970s, today resides outside Kashmir. Most left due to terrorism. There are no restrictions on them, no matter their religion or political beliefs. Remember, there are areas in the US where no radio transmissions are allowed[1]. If you reside in Kashmir today, you are free to travel outside the state. If you do travel outside, you can use your mobile phone to your heart's content. If you aren't a resident of Kashmir and you travel to Kashmir, no matter your religion, ethnicity or other grouping, you can't use a mobile phone while there.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Radio_Q...

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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There is a consistent trend. modi Govt pushed policies written by crony capitalists ambani adani. wenever the govt sees any public dissent they shut down internet and meanwhile push misinformation campaign on ambani owned TV channels. Half bake distorted news of the level no western democracy can even imagine. Mukesh Ambani directly or indirectly controls almost whole mainstream media who is modi main financier. Farmer protest is genuine, peaceful and succeeding so they shut down internet in state of haryana and at the protest sites. If some journalists tried to reveal truth, he is being jailed. Just like happened to mandeep punia today. The violence on 26th Jan was orchestrated with direct support from Indias home minister using delhi police and Trojan moles in the farmers, which farmers leaders have already declared to be working by conniving with modi govt.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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This has been shown again and again by current administration and ruling party in India that power and ideology of pure Hindu state is more important than lives and livelihood. On a grand display in 2002 incident in a province in India [1], please read the whole NYT article, before commenting on it. Later on at display in Kashmir. Subsequently during national register and citizenship act protests where religious riot…

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Again you are parroting the same national agenda of the current Indian government of a Hindu state and Hindu way of living forcibly forced on every community in India. Recent example of local government passing laws to support groups and Organization who kill people who eat beef, another example of people of different religion marrying needs approval from state government (calling it law against love jihad). Not sure what is Stone Age medieval.

If you want to repeal laws in India, first study them. India has Hindu marriage act too, especially designed for Hindu undivided family with similar inconsistency.

In India a Muslim woman can choose special marriage act [1], where triple talaq is inapplicable. It’s not for you or majority to decide how that community should live.

If woman are unhappy with unjust law let them as community fight it. You don’t have to force your views or your self-righteous way for them.

Indeed the funny part is the woman of that very community you try to help, despise the current Indian government. If the purpose of the change was to help that community there will be some support, but indeed there is complete opposition.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Marriage_Act,_1954

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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There is a consistent trend. modi Govt pushed policies written by crony capitalists ambani adani. wenever the govt sees any public dissent they shut down internet and meanwhile push misinformation campaign on ambani owned TV channels. Half bake distorted news of the level no western democracy can even imagine. Mukesh Ambani directly or indirectly controls almost whole mainstream media who is modi main financier. Farm…

Complete failure of this protest or its conversion into violence will most likely lead to civil war and discontent in Indian armed forces as majority indiam soldiers come from the agriculture families of North India where this protest is concentrated giving China further confidence to balkanize India. chinese army is already testing indian resolve in past 12 months. Failure of india today will lead us into Chinese century. Indian govt knows knows it all , but still working for short sighted profit game. It is direct threat to American dominance in world politics.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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The bill was public. It was debated for a while, and anyone could have read it during that period if they chose to. There was none of the here is a 5000 page bill and you must pass it in 2 hours or the economy goes under like happens in the US Congress. They not only took the farmers into confidence, they took the opinions of the farmers into consideration and amended the bill. Each individual substantive line item b…

I don't think a single HN submission does this topic justice but the fact that there are so many small farmers to begin with is strange. It's highly inefficient. It would be better if they get a city job and let a big agriculture company take over. This would increase incomes on both sides.

Having many small players is not by itself inefficient. The inefficiencies come from lack of modernisation which is (in large part) a direct result of the stasis induced by the kind of government meddling that these farm bills are trying to reform.

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Bjp which is in power never respected indian flag .people protesting gave their lives for indian flag their sons and daughters serve in the forces. They want remain in power by divide and rule.human lives don't matter to them. National media is totallay controlled

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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This has been shown again and again by current administration and ruling party in India that power and ideology of pure Hindu state is more important than lives and livelihood. On a grand display in 2002 incident in a province in India [1], please read the whole NYT article, before commenting on it. Later on at display in Kashmir. Subsequently during national register and citizenship act protests where religious riot…

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Marrying multiple women is medieval practise in your opinion but banning consumption of Beef is not? Why?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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BBC is heavily biased against India esp. against current government. It never publishes any good thing about india and belittles any progress made by India. It should appreciate that even passing the farm bill by the govt which is in majority, it is ready to negotiate. This is true democracy where just for the sake of 1-2 states, govt has put the reforms on hold.

People should also understand that there is also foreign funding involved behind these protests for Khalistan movement which has nothing to do with the protests. Western media esp. Washington Post, BBC and NYTimes usually publishes articles against the current govt.

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