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Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by slumpt_ »

netsharc wrote: post #207
guerrilla wrote: post #24

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It's certainly possible but the fact is that there's no evidence or indication one way or the other at this point.

Lately the close-mindedness in HN has become amazing... many here seems to be a China expert, and their expertise says "I know what it is, it's an evil regime!".

Given their treatment of Uighurs, yes - there is an element of evil. It’s not as if the governments of the world are immune to this - the US has been involved in a long history of heinous acts and China is no different.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by foolinaround »

dang wrote: post #143
prox wrote: post #128

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I wonder why you’re being downvoted. Is it because it’s so accurate that it hurts or because it’s not?

Please don't break the site guidelines like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Dang, should there be a single meta-thread - monthly or quarterly -- where you hold a grand durbar and folks can vent their grievances, and you get some feedback from different segments?

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by FooBarWidget »

Chris2048 wrote: post #251
FooBarWidget wrote: post #246

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Journalists could certainly do a much better job with the data already available. For example, there's the actual underlying financial issue: the way Ant Group handled money is very risky, but they want to be regulated as a tech company instead of as a financial institution. This has the potential to cause a huge financial bubble. Even if there's some merit to the accusation that Jack Ma got into trouble for criticiz…

If we are talking about the disappearance, I think the issues you describe are separate from the issue of whether Ma was being involuntarily detained. And that is the question - "Ma got into trouble" could mean a lot of things.

Even if it's separate, does that warrant a near-complete lack of interest in the other issues, which are at least strongly related, even if it's just to provide context? I think it's quite irresponsible to cover things from a single angle only, which paints a caricature.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by FooBarWidget »

newbie578 wrote: post #214
FooBarWidget wrote: post #20

In the last Hacker News thread, people were so sure that the government jailed him for criticizing the party. Even though there was no evidence of such, people just assumed it MUST be true because the CCP MUST be evil. And before Jack Ma "disappeared", people were worried about Jack Ma and Ant Group being a national security threat, because of his ties with CCP. Because "CCP evil". No matter the facts, people just co…

People do not assume that CCP is evil. If you have literal concentration camps ("re-education) then you are evil. Simple as that. I do not even understand how is this even a discussion, and how are people so blatantly willing to defend CCP.

But the thing is they don't have literal concentration camps. For one, 50+ muslim countries testified this in the UN. An UN counterterrorism expert visited Xinjiang and wrote a favorable report.

This video sums up many other analyses and arguments: https://youtu.be/i915eArrego

I'm not pro-CCP, I'm just pushing back against people who base their opinions of China on false or misleading information.

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Post by loufe »

saagarjha wrote: post #201
loceng wrote: post #190

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Honestly though, don't you think that's a valid question - asking for qualitative responses? Notice how the user responded to you, as an authority, I hope you're aware of that power dynamic as well. I've also thought I'd love to see a Netflix style documentary of "a day in dang's life" to help us get to know you, to humanize you more + would be good marketing for HN and YCombinator. You're often very poetic in your r…

Perhaps you may enjoy https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th... .

Well written article, I learned a lot. I wasn't a huge fan of how little they espoused the actual positive side of the site, what continues to bring me and many of you back. The flaming and dramatic views of some are noise to me, the great insight and lively polite debate is what I see.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by [deleted] »

TameAntelope wrote: post #265
xdavidliu wrote: post #264

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This is certainly not true if the "anyone else" is Jack Ma. If I gave you gun, and asked you to "hold" Jeff Bezos, you would certainly not be able to do it.

Where am I? Where is Bezos? What are the additional hypothetical details of this scenario? Do I know how to use a gun in this scenario (I do not IRL)? I've only met one billionaire, but he was definitely not guarded by anyone, and had I the inclination, skills, and firepower, I could have easily taken him at gunpoint. I don't accept the notion that Jack Ma is guarded 100% of the time, that's movie fiction.

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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by tachyonbeam »

NumberCruncher wrote: post #260

> In the 50-second video, Ma, wearing a navy pullover, spoke from a room with grey walls, a large painting and floral arrangements. It was not clear where the room was. [...] Alibaba’s Hong Kong-listed shares jumped to finish 8.5% higher on the news... I am pretty sure all sane people knowing that this video is going online had hold a huge long position on Alibaba shares.

Just knowing with certainty that Jack Ma is alive would have been enough to make a big options play.

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Post by kqr »

bane wrote: post #253
ConcreteGidget wrote: post #63

Does anyone have any book recommendations for non-chinese people to understand CCP power structures? I'm completely lost in all of this Jack Ma stuff.

The Chinese government is highly structured and in general features most of the things one might expect in a modern nation-state (an executive, a legislature, a court system, etc.) The exception, and what makes it hard to understand for outsiders, is that one of the political parties (Chinese Communist Party) is also an extra, supervisory, branch of government and sits on-top of and permeates all the regular bureaucr…

Since you did not mention it specifically, I'll mention that term limits are suspected to be an important part of keeping a reasonable concentration of power and not having a democracy devolve into a dictatorship.

On the one hand, term limits are deliberately eroded by long-running despots (primarily in some African countries so far, and increasingly elsewhere in the world lately.) On the other hand, Germany's chansellorship does not, IIRC, have term limits and that seems to work fine for them. So maybe being able to remove term limits is a symptom more than a cause?

Either way, questions like these are discussed in the book How Democracies Die, which has been recommended to me and is on my re-read list, but which I haven't gotten to yet.

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Post by tachyonbeam »

growt wrote: post #235
yonisto wrote: post #4

Now I need to be convinced it is not a deepfake

Maybe at some point we'll invent a new greeting (like waving your fingers before your face) to prove we're really the person on the screen.

No reason you can't "deepfake" that too. IMO, in the arms race of fakes vs detection technology, the fakes will inevitably win. Eventually, you won't be able to tell if content is fake at all. You'll just have to decide if you can trust the source or not.

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Post by slumpt_ »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #274
newbie578 wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People do not assume that CCP is evil. If you have literal concentration camps ("re-education) then you are evil. Simple as that. I do not even understand how is this even a discussion, and how are people so blatantly willing to defend CCP.

But the thing is they don't have literal concentration camps. For one, 50+ muslim countries testified this in the UN. An UN counterterrorism expert visited Xinjiang and wrote a favorable report. This video sums up many other analyses and arguments: https://youtu.be/i915eArrego I'm not pro-CCP, I'm just pushing back against people who base their opinions of China on false or misleading information.

You explicitly went to bat for the CCP regarding their treatment of Taiwan some time ago. That you are pro-CCP is fine just be transparent about it.

And yes, there are camps and yes, those camps are hurting people psychologically / physically. We’ve had several interviews with refugees who have escaped to date, as well as photos and videos of the conditions.

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