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Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by Out_of_Characte »

dustinmoris wrote: post #259

I agree with dang's comment re nationalistic flamewar comments, but then I wonder why is this news article even allowed to appear on HN front page for so long and not being flagged by the admins? There is no substance in this news report which is interesting beyond the usual nationalistic flame wars and conspiracy theories or have I missed something?

If it wasn't for the 'nationalistic flamewar' comments this article would still be a classic HN link; news over a buisiness leader that started the biggest IPO and then regulatory influence came along. regardless of where you fall on the debate, I think we're all interested and are going to follow Jack Ma's next steps.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by TameAntelope »

coldtea wrote: post #257
TameAntelope wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone with a gun can hold anyone else, you don't need to be "powerful".

If the "anyone else" is a billionaire, then, yes, you do, even to get access to them to point the gun, bypass the guards, abduct them, and keep them. And we're talking about state-level actors here doing the holding, not some random nobody with a gun. Those don't have any need for "insider trading".

You're talking about state-level actors, not me. My point is that it doesn't have to be the Chinese government (though it probably is, if he's being held and isn't just in hiding).

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by mail2merge »

This is good https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25843617

thank you dang

Maybe Ma was just trying to stay out of the limelight[0] until the investigation of Ant Financial settled down a bit. He also owns SCMP[1], which has a mix of supportive and critical articles on the central government. Assuming he wanted to throw some pressure, in the mild form of (probably mostly disregarded) external censure back on the investigation, he may have been passive aggressively refusing to show his face. Perhaps to sow suspicion he'd been mysteriously detained in order to draw (Western) media scrutiny, and the "inevitable" torrent of China-critical speculation that invites. Of course, it could also be an Elon Musk-style stock manipulation play, but I think he's more motivated by the passions than pure financials.

Speculation is fun, but it's possible this is apophenia.

[0]no pun intended, he does like to dress up in camp drag and sing, if you don't believe, search for the videos, it's pretty funny for an (ex) CEO to do this

[1]this article doesn't have much more than the Reuters link, but does have a couple of videos https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3118454/alibaba-f...

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by xdavidliu »

TameAntelope wrote: post #254
coldtea wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had the power to hold Jack Ma in captivity, you'd have 1000 other ways to do insider trading, or even bigger access to the market...

Anyone with a gun can hold anyone else, you don't need to be "powerful".

This is certainly not true if the "anyone else" is Jack Ma. If I gave you gun, and asked you to "hold" Jeff Bezos, you would certainly not be able to do it.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by TameAntelope »

xdavidliu wrote: post #264
TameAntelope wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone with a gun can hold anyone else, you don't need to be "powerful".

This is certainly not true if the "anyone else" is Jack Ma. If I gave you gun, and asked you to "hold" Jeff Bezos, you would certainly not be able to do it.

Where am I? Where is Bezos? What are the additional hypothetical details of this scenario? Do I know how to use a gun in this scenario (I do not IRL)?

I've only met one billionaire, but he was definitely not guarded by anyone, and had I the inclination, skills, and firepower, I could have easily taken him at gunpoint.

I don't accept the notion that Jack Ma is guarded 100% of the time, that's movie fiction.

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Post by rodolphoarruda »

ConcreteGidget wrote: post #63

Does anyone have any book recommendations for non-chinese people to understand CCP power structures? I'm completely lost in all of this Jack Ma stuff.

Not strictly related to CCP, but a long text about how China has evolved in the past couple of decades from a cultural perspective.

https://lithub.com/modern-china-is-so-crazy-it-needs-a-new-l...

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by tylerhou »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #91
nickysielicki wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it matters that he's reading off of a script. Imagine Bezos in the same situation, do you honestly think he wouldn't delegate the responsibility of speechwriting to his team of publicists?

If none of us heard from Bezos for months and the resurfacing video appeared to be him reading off a script, there would be questions. The optics would be off.

When was the last time you heard from Bezos in a public appearance?

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by dan-robertson »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #91
nickysielicki wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it matters that he's reading off of a script. Imagine Bezos in the same situation, do you honestly think he wouldn't delegate the responsibility of speechwriting to his team of publicists?

If none of us heard from Bezos for months and the resurfacing video appeared to be him reading off a script, there would be questions. The optics would be off.

The optics are meant to be off. That he received some kind of detention and punishment by the ccp is meant to be obvious (but they cannot admit to it so it’s just heavily implied)
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