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Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by _gt8f »

mcswell wrote: post #23
_gt8f wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be worth something to watch part of the Lex Fridman interview with one of the pilots, David Fravor. The entire podcast is four hours long and goes over his career and experiences, I'd argue establishes him as a competent naval officer and pilot. The timecode is when he describes the actual event- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E&t=4264s In the interview he also describes the record keeping process an…

I think it was Richard Feynman who said the easiest person in the world to fool is yourself. I have no doubt this pilot is a good officer and pilot, but that doesn't mean he saw what he thinks he saw.

Oh, no, sorry - I deliberately didn't interpret the validity of the claim or try to address it. I don't live in the dream land, and I try to double check reality best I can.

To this day all I have from all this is head scratching and we have no proof of anything aside from that the Pentagon -for whatever reason- has confirmed that the cockpit videos were genuinely released by them. You can request them yourself from the Pentagon, directly.

I am convinced that the man is a good officer and a competent pilot. That is all. Occam's razor: things outlined in that report are true -or - the man is a true patriot, participating in a disinformation campaign design to bankrupt the Chinese or Russians in attempting to recreate some of the very expensive things outlined in the larger picture described here.

But I keep peeled to anything related to this story because the implication behind the claims are potentially world-changing.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by Smooth-Weather »

The Tic-Tac UFO probably use MHD propulsion to move. It allows ionized air displacement in all directions depending on electrodes on the ship. So, no air resistance, no sound barrier. It move itself silently, it can move also under water, the same way it moves in the air, by displacing the water around it. It can sustain itself and accelerate in any direction depending on which electrodes are activated and so, to which direction the air is sucked. It would require a great source of energy to surround the ship surface (for something around 20m long in size) by plasma, should require something around 80000 Gauss and 1000 Megawatts for the electrical discharge.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by ksaj »

frongpik wrote: post #35
ubertoop wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The patent is really only half of the story here. The bigger question is why does the US Navy own this patents? And, how does this relate to the pill shaped UFO that navy pilots verified having seen over the last decade performing antigravity maneuvers? On December 30th 2020 the United States Senate had requested for the Pentagon for an explanation of this UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon). The Senate said the Pen…

Academics can't really research this subject if they want to remain employed, but that doesn't mean the patent lies.

Pretty much. It isn't worth continuing studies into a particular future-tech if it isn't patented, as someone who happens to hear about it through whatever means can steal it from under them, making all initial investments useless to everyone except the copycat.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by ksaj »

voldacar wrote: post #48
ksaj wrote: post #5

This relies on the existence of the graviton, which at this point is is not actually known to exist. Some would even argue that there is no reason for it to exist. There are a few competing theories of gravity that don't jive at all with what's discussed in pseudo-factual language in the patent. It doesn't help that his only source cited seems to be his own, albeit peer reviewed, paper. I hope that paper at least cit…

If we posit that the graviton does exist and suspend all disbelief, is the rest of the patent logically sound? If the theoretical basis of this device is correct, would it actually do what it claims to?

It's a pitched idea they are researching. If it is even close to what ends up being provable, and subsequently doable, then they also have some patented ideas of how to use what they've been researching. Even if they are a ways off the mark, they can prove prior art with the patent. And of course with each new discovery, they'll file a new patent until they have something that works.

So, yes. The patent protects their research, as is the purpose of obtaining a patent.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by ksaj »

kordlessagain wrote: post #52
voldacar wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we posit that the graviton does exist and suspend all disbelief, is the rest of the patent logically sound? If the theoretical basis of this device is correct, would it actually do what it claims to?

Gravity is the result of the bending of spacetime, but what about the monopole[1]? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3xH97Su-KY

This is where "begs the question" comes into play. You have to prove gravity is the result of bending space time - something that does not yet have proof, and has a few counter theories to compete with - in order to bother thinking about monopoles in this context.

It's worth keeping in mind that magnetism != gravitation as well.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by ksaj »

bdowling wrote: post #46
smolder wrote: post #30

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It only wastes various people's time to patent something that can't be built. (The authors, regulators, and on-lookers.) However to speculatively patent something that later turns out to be viable could mean that some other party may have been prevented from taking the idea beyond speculation, since they can't capitalize on it, right? It hurts the incentive to really innovate when the patent system is clogged with sp…

> ... some other party may have been prevented from taking the idea beyond speculation, since they can't capitalize on it, right? That's not really true. Suppose my invention requires A, B, and C, but C doesn't exist yet. Now suppose another inventor invents C and patents it. If I can't make my invention without C (i.e., there is no substitute), then they can charge whatever they want for it. They will take all of th…

This is pretty much it. Every patent that relies on another patent lists what those are. For this very reason.

A lot of patents have long lists of other patents they rely on. Sometimes the only reason something hasn't become a real thing is because of unresolved patent claims. And in any case, the patent is still useful because they can work on ways to get around the need for using the unresolved patent requirement.

Ie: If my new-widget A relies on patents B and C, but C won't license it to me, it doesn't mean my patent is invalid. It only means I either have to eventually find a way to resolve that licensing issue with the C people, or find a way to replace C with something that doesn't infringe on their patent.

Until then, my new-widget A is protected from a competitor (or even C themselves) selling it before I can find a way to deal with C licensing.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by ksaj »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #31
mokus wrote: post #20

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If it can’t be built, how does the patent harm anyone except the one who wasted their money to get the patent? There will never be a licensee or infringement to sue over.

If you can't build it today, but someone can build it in five or ten years, the patent lets you hold them hostage because you guessed right (even though you didn't do any of the work). That is not morally right. It also isn't the intent of patents, because it does absolutely nothing to further the progress of the useful arts and sciences.

If my research suggests it can happen in 5 or 10 years, it is not immoral for me to have a patent on it that can be licensed to a party that can add the special sauce that makes it work.

Why would my research suddenly become public domain just because I had the idea but technology hadn't caught up yet, even though my research suggested that it would catch up?

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by frongpik »

hindsightbias wrote: post #61
gbh444g wrote: post #47

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Or maybe he's another Edison. I mean, he's likely the nominal inventor: other people do the research, but only his name appears on papers.

Any of 5 or so of those patents would win a Nobel Prize if real. And any PhD working with/for him would have strangled him already if he left contributors off.

Nobel prize is a measly sum of money split among all contributors, plus some fame.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by ksaj »

salawat wrote: post #18
ksaj wrote: post #9

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There are a lot of patents for things that are not yet known to work, but are plausible. Things that are in study stage often get patents if they are novel enough, to avoid someone else coming in and getting rich off your research before you've even had a chance to pay back your investors (let alone yourself). It's not a patent troll thing. It's protecting your investment. A lot of money goes into research, and there…

So instead of only getting the patent when you yourself have a working implementation, you sit back and wait for someone else to solve your problems for you so you can jump on them and call it infringement? And these aresupposed to encourage invention? Yeah..... No.

Interesting way of wording this, but if I paid for research and the patent process, and someone beats me to production and I have the patent protecting my investment into the idea they are now making money on, then yes, they'd owe me for my research, which I may or may not license to them.

If you think you've invented something, then you need to do your own research to see if what you invented hasn't already been invented. Otherwise your blinders cause you to waste your own time. That's never been new. It's the same with product names, and just about everything else (trademarks, copyrights, etc). There's even a saying for it: Why reinvent the wheel? Otherwise, absolutely everybody could claim they just didn't know it was patented, and steal anybody else's work as they wished, because "Sure I invented it after you did, but I also have a faster production line than you."

You can't claim you invented Widget-A if I already did, and can prove it. Which I would through my patent of Widget-A. If you want to invent a competing Widget-B, then invent it, and don't use Widget-A without a license with me. You didn't invent it if I already did and have a patent as proof.

That's what a patent is and what it does. It doesn't stop invention. It protects inventions from outright theft (or even accidental theft). Go ahead and invent, but if you weren't first, you aren't the inventor.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by gnusty_gnurc »

Smooth-Weather wrote: post #82

The Tic-Tac UFO probably use MHD propulsion to move. It allows ionized air displacement in all directions depending on electrodes on the ship. So, no air resistance, no sound barrier. It move itself silently, it can move also under water, the same way it moves in the air, by displacing the water around it. It can sustain itself and accelerate in any direction depending on which electrodes are activated and so, to whi…

interesting, entertaining the stuff around USO lore though, wouldn't the energy required to navigate around the bottom of the ocean be immense though (more than whatever you calculated)?
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