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Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by hindsightbias » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 3:28 AM UTC

ubertoop wrote: post #4

hindsightbias wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With such a wide diversity in radical patents, Occam’s Razor should be applied. He is either a magnitude more brilliant than Einstein or he’s a crackpot. “There is no relationship whatsoever between my assigned duties and the invention. The invention was made independently of any job performance or assigned tasks by the Branch or Section.” https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37134/emails-show-navy...

That's fair, but then how do you explain the Tic Tac UFO reports from US Navy pilots? [1] [1] https://youtu.be/PkPn-YMp9vI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_standard

Worlds most advanced Navy systems and crews and all I get are fuzzy pics and descriptions.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by _gt8f » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 4:06 AM UTC

hindsightbias wrote: post #11

ubertoop wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fair, but then how do you explain the Tic Tac UFO reports from US Navy pilots? [1] [1] https://youtu.be/PkPn-YMp9vI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_standard Worlds most advanced Navy systems and crews and all I get are fuzzy pics and descriptions.

Might be worth something to watch part of the Lex Fridman interview with one of the pilots, David Fravor. The entire podcast is four hours long and goes over his career and experiences, I'd argue establishes him as a competent naval officer and pilot. The timecode is when he describes the actual event- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E&t=4264s

In the interview he also describes the record keeping process and basically some of the head scratchers you're bringing about.

One other thing the pilot confirms in that interview is the validity (authenticity) of the leaked "Executive Summary" report, which, was leaked to media and (as far as I know) not really pursued for authenticity verification by others (PDF):

https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document...

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by dantheman » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 4:07 AM UTC

ksaj wrote: post #9

new_guy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It makes sense to patent an idea based on what he's hoping will eventually become a fleshed out scientific theory with proofs and whatnot, it doesn't mean any of it will turn out to be correct. It just means if it does find proof, he could get rich. It would just make him yet another patent troll. The US patent system is beyond absurd. Unless he can physically demonstrate a fully working 'gravitational wave generat…

There are a lot of patents for things that are not yet known to work, but are plausible. Things that are in study stage often get patents if they are novel enough, to avoid someone else coming in and getting rich off your research before you've even had a chance to pay back your investors (let alone yourself). It's not a patent troll thing. It's protecting your investment. A lot of money goes into research, and there…

If you don't have a working implementation that is available for sale you're a patent troll.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by jb775 » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 4:11 AM UTC

ubertoop wrote: post #2

Check out these patents currently assigned to US Secretary of Navy and invented by "Salvatore Cezar Pais" https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Salvatore+Cezar+Pais Then think about the tic tac ufo UFO reports from US Navy fighter pilots [1] What's going on here? Disinformation campaign from US Navy? Actual patents? Maybe the downloadbal PDFs are malware vectors for espionage? Seems highly unlikely that this tech actu…

I don't see any reason for a public patent besides disinformation. I don't think any foreign gov would fall for this, so my guess is a disinformation campaign against average people...to make them think this is the current state of flight technology. (I think it's significantly greater. The underlying mechanisms here have been known for a very long time. Just look into the details and date ranges of: the piesel electric effect, work of Harold Aspden, Planck's equation, Maxwell's equation, Robert Adam's motor, Dewey Larson physics)

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by lwansbrough » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 4:12 AM UTC

This whole thing has a very boring, very likely answer described in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8&t=1300s

Essentially, there are a few different perspective/camera quirks coming together in these videos which can (apparently) trick even well trained pilots.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by mypalmike » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 4:13 AM UTC

ksaj wrote: post #9

new_guy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It makes sense to patent an idea based on what he's hoping will eventually become a fleshed out scientific theory with proofs and whatnot, it doesn't mean any of it will turn out to be correct. It just means if it does find proof, he could get rich. It would just make him yet another patent troll. The US patent system is beyond absurd. Unless he can physically demonstrate a fully working 'gravitational wave generat…

There are a lot of patents for things that are not yet known to work, but are plausible. Things that are in study stage often get patents if they are novel enough, to avoid someone else coming in and getting rich off your research before you've even had a chance to pay back your investors (let alone yourself). It's not a patent troll thing. It's protecting your investment. A lot of money goes into research, and there…

If an invention cannot be "reduced to practice", it is not patentable. My understanding is that reduction to practice means the invention has been actually built by the inventor, or that it is fully disclosed in a patent application such that a reasonably skilled person could construct the invention.

If an invention hinges on some entirely theoretical concept that can not be demonstrated by even the most highly skilled people, it would be reasonable to question the validity of the patent.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by miles » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 4:20 AM UTC

lwansbrough wrote: post #15

This whole thing has a very boring, very likely answer described in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8&t=1300s Essentially, there are a few different perspective/camera quirks coming together in these videos which can (apparently) trick even well trained pilots.

> there are a few different perspective/camera quirks coming together in these videos which can (apparently) trick even well trained pilots.

How does that explain the radar readings?

"The tic tac – so-called because of its rounded shape and white colour – was caught on video as the US Navy attempted to identify a series of objects spotted on radar flying off America’s west coast in November 2004. ... The sighting came during a fortnight in which the USS Princeton had noted unknown aircraft intermittently passing across its radar systems off the US west coast. The contact was considered so inexplicable that the system was shut down and restarted to check for bugs — but operators continued to track the mysterious object afterwards."[1]

"Witnesses included highly trained military personnel—among them several deeply experienced radar operators and fighter pilots—who at the time of the sightings were at the controls of arguably the most advanced flight technology ever created. And yet none can explain what they saw."[2]

Does Mick West, a "science writer, skeptical investigator, and retired video game programmer"[3], know more about the issue than "highly trained military personnel—among them several deeply experienced radar operators and fighter pilots"?

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ufo-tic-tac-flyin...

[2] https://www.history.com/news/uss-nimitz-2004-tic-tac-ufo-enc...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_West

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by salawat » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 4:26 AM UTC

ksaj wrote: post #9

new_guy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It makes sense to patent an idea based on what he's hoping will eventually become a fleshed out scientific theory with proofs and whatnot, it doesn't mean any of it will turn out to be correct. It just means if it does find proof, he could get rich. It would just make him yet another patent troll. The US patent system is beyond absurd. Unless he can physically demonstrate a fully working 'gravitational wave generat…

There are a lot of patents for things that are not yet known to work, but are plausible. Things that are in study stage often get patents if they are novel enough, to avoid someone else coming in and getting rich off your research before you've even had a chance to pay back your investors (let alone yourself). It's not a patent troll thing. It's protecting your investment. A lot of money goes into research, and there…

So instead of only getting the patent when you yourself have a working implementation, you sit back and wait for someone else to solve your problems for you so you can jump on them and call it infringement?

And these aresupposed to encourage invention?

Yeah..... No.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by radicaldreamer » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 4:27 AM UTC

jb775 wrote: post #14

ubertoop wrote: post #2

Check out these patents currently assigned to US Secretary of Navy and invented by "Salvatore Cezar Pais" https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Salvatore+Cezar+Pais Then think about the tic tac ufo UFO reports from US Navy fighter pilots [1] What's going on here? Disinformation campaign from US Navy? Actual patents? Maybe the downloadbal PDFs are malware vectors for espionage? Seems highly unlikely that this tech actu…

I don't see any reason for a public patent besides disinformation. I don't think any foreign gov would fall for this, so my guess is a disinformation campaign against average people...to make them think this is the current state of flight technology. (I think it's significantly greater. The underlying mechanisms here have been known for a very long time. Just look into the details and date ranges of: the piesel elect…

Can you elaborate on what you think the current state is?

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by mokus » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 4:32 AM UTC

mypalmike wrote: post #16

ksaj wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of patents for things that are not yet known to work, but are plausible. Things that are in study stage often get patents if they are novel enough, to avoid someone else coming in and getting rich off your research before you've even had a chance to pay back your investors (let alone yourself). It's not a patent troll thing. It's protecting your investment. A lot of money goes into research, and there…

If an invention cannot be "reduced to practice", it is not patentable. My understanding is that reduction to practice means the invention has been actually built by the inventor, or that it is fully disclosed in a patent application such that a reasonably skilled person could construct the invention. If an invention hinges on some entirely theoretical concept that can not be demonstrated by even the most highly skill…

If it can’t be built, how does the patent harm anyone except the one who wasted their money to get the patent? There will never be a licensee or infringement to sue over.