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Post by theshrike79 »

bendoerr wrote: post #30
gabereiser wrote: post #10

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At its core it’s a decent game. The issue is with so many bugs (many of which preventing a player from finishing a story quest) it’s hard to focus on the game when your copy keeps crashing, glitching, frustrating you.

Do you have an example of a bug that prevents quest completion? I've been lucky enough to not run into a single one during my 100+ hours so far and I've been trying to do every quest. I worry that these things keep getting said without people actually experiencing them. I have several friends playing on PS4 without the reported crashes. Not saying you haven't, I just don't have any direct knowledge of the issues that…

There's one quest line which makes you wake up naked without your stuff.

If you trigger the exit dialogue before picking up your stuff, the quest line gets stuck.

That's the only actual showstopper I encountered in 60 hours of gameplay.

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Post by Tarsul »

ekianjo wrote: post #58
BoorishBears wrote: post #23

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The writing and depth were way too lacking for me. I can deal with bugs, but the lack of depth constantly breaks immersion, and some of the writing is just really cringeworthy

> e writing is just really cringeworthy Which games writing is not cringeworthy please?

well it depends on your definition of cringeworthy but there's for example a huge difference between new vegas (good, from Obsidian Entertainment) vs. Fallout 3 (well, could be worse actually, from Bethesda). Cyberpunk feels quite mainstreamy in that regard (meaning its writing is not up to par to less mainstreamy RPGs). Well, if we're on the topic: The writing actually is pretty bad. There's a lot of talking without saying shit. I mean how difficult must it be to put some real character into the characters? Meaning some semblance of real backstories and not just blips about how bad everything is without really saying anything. argh.

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Post by mywittyname »

hcnews wrote: post #45
Reedx wrote: post #6

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It's mostly that the loudest, angriest voices tend to drown out everyone else.

Active steam users for this game dropped much faster than that of Witcher 3 (which was similarly/less flawed at launch) based on public steam data. So, there's lot of evidence behind the message. Anecdotally, the players I knew have stopped playing it altogether due to a variety of issues.

Probably because most of the pre-orders had enough time to beat the game.

The main story lines are not crazy long, maybe 30hrs or so. The side quests aren't nearly the quality of Witcher 3. Most are just, "run into this building and kill this guy / steal data from the terminal, then run out." They only serve as something to do while you're exploring the city.

With no multiplayer or generated content, I can't imagine why anyone would spend more than 60-80 hours playing the game. It makes sense that fewer people would be playing it by now.

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Post by sudosteph »

BoorishBears wrote: post #23
jayd16 wrote: post #5

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Seems like everyone I talk to likes the game even if its not bug free and the combat isn't perfect.

The writing and depth were way too lacking for me. I can deal with bugs, but the lack of depth constantly breaks immersion, and some of the writing is just really cringeworthy

I agree that the writing for the main quest was underwhelming, but there were a couple side quests that really stood out enough to redeem the writing in my eyes. Specifically, the Peralez and the Sinnerman quest chains felt really memorable, interesting, and engaging. It's a shame the main story wasn't up to the same the level.

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Post by zamalek »

nightski wrote: post #33
chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

The thing is CD Project Red has released it's games in a really rough state before. All of the Witcher games were brutal on release. But every time they have not only released thousands of bug fixes/improvements for free, but also delivered large dlc/content updates. The difference with CP2077 I believe is that it was just the highest profile launch they have ever had by a wide margin. They are too big now. I don't r…

> I don't regret pre-ordering at all, because they have always done right by me.

I bought the game a few days ago and, apart from the NVIDIA RTX timed-exclusive, I haven't run into any issues with it. It's already a touch above the usual Witcher release.

It's also worth noting that, at least from my perspective, there was a vocal crowd begging for the game on account of "something to do during the pandemic, assuming bugs warts and all". I'm not sure if this is why they released an objectively non-functional game to previous-gen consoles, but I would be inclined to believe the excuse.

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Post by mywittyname »

pawelos wrote: post #113
haunter wrote: post #32

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I have the PS4 version (yes, base not Pro) and it's 900p-720p dynamically switching and 25fps, maybe 30 in better cases. Which is utter trash. It's like watching movies in 360p on Youtube. Or listening to music in 64kbsp. On top of that the story doesn't save the game either which is mediocre at best especially compared to what was promised. Then look at Ghost of Tsushima or RDR2 on the same console.

I don’t think it is fair to compare it to Ghost of Tsushima or RDR2. Both games have worlds that are mostly empty, with few buildings here and there. As far as I remember, RDR2 dropped to ~25FPS in Saint Denis on my PS4 just after launch (not sure now), and Saint Denis is tiny comparing to Night City.

I remember walking out of your apartment complex for the first time, and being really amazed at the number of NPCs walking and driving around. It's the first game I've played that actually made me feel like I was in a major city.

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Post by munk-a »

falcolas wrote: post #35
jgust wrote: post #20

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It's a tragedy of the commons situation with gamer enthusiasts acting against their own best interest. If people can't delay gratification for something as inconsequential as "non-broken video games", I don't see how any personal responsibility campaign has any chance of working for things impacting society at large such as climate change, overfishing, public health, etc.

This isn't on the players. That's very much in the same line as blaming someone driving their car for the Gulf Oil Spill. This is 100% on CDPR management. It's their job to set the right deadlines, to manage expectation and hype. They failed, and should be held accountable for that failure. EDIT: Yes, downvote this. Support CDPR's management and their shitty practices with their employees and their lying to players a…

I think there were some really big marketing mistakes but most of the backlash on CP2077 seems to be over the insane levels of hype. I had pre-ordered this game a long time ago and it was genuinely fun on release, there are some bugged quests and I don't have a card capable of rendering ridiculously good graphics but it's playable and fun.

From what I've heard the PS release is absolutely worth getting mad over - it's likely that CDPR should have just given up on even attempting a PS release given how poor the performance is but it probably needs some serious investigation to see what pressure Sony was putting on them to make sure it was available.

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Post by slfnflctd »

vlunkr wrote: post #92
throw_m239339 wrote: post #63

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> Really? Compared to film, music, visual arts? I would say it's the least diverse of them. It's starting to branch out, especially in the indie scene, but it's still in it's infancy. Yes because gaming actually unify all other art medium without being burdened by their 'rules'. Movies today have clearly defined cinematographic rules, very little professional produced movies can be deemed experimental. Games do not s…

This doesn't make sense. What are the rules of music? Sure if you want something on the radio it's wise to follow some guidelines, but obviously that's not where the diversity is. You can make a song with no defined key or time signature, it can be hours long or seconds long, it can have no vocals, only vocals, or controversially, no sound at all. You could go on and on. Video games have not pushed the limits in this…

I have to strongly disagree with this.

What we call "video games" now encompasses pretty much all other art forms except cooking. Whatever you can do with one form, you can do the same thing plus more in a game. There is much greater artistic potential in this kind of software than anywhere else that doesn't require physical presence (and even that can be simulated). It also requires massive engineering skill, itself an art.

That being said, the medium has a very long way to go yet and there are still many areas it has yet to explore. I'm very glad there's a thriving indie scene where developers are continually experimenting with fresh, crazy new ideas.

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Post by okprod »

nightski wrote: post #33
chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

The thing is CD Project Red has released it's games in a really rough state before. All of the Witcher games were brutal on release. But every time they have not only released thousands of bug fixes/improvements for free, but also delivered large dlc/content updates. The difference with CP2077 I believe is that it was just the highest profile launch they have ever had by a wide margin. They are too big now. I don't r…

They also dragged out the release for a long time, all while continuing to build hype, like Anthem.
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