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Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by krzyk »

enahs-sf wrote: post #19
Pfhreak wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't releasing a broken game. There's a huge challenge in making and releasing games and meeting a specific quality bar. That said, knowing you have a broken game and saying it's great is extremely avoidable and totally should stop. Tell me the game is a mess and let me play with it.

Having played Cyberpunk on a PS4 and then a PS5, It is nowhere near what you'd expect from a AAA title in terms of quality. Had to stop playing it because it's not worth it to ruin the experience. I can only imagine what the folks at Rockstar are thinking about this launch and what they can take away from it.

And to have a counterpoint, I'm playing on PC and have a lot of fun. I've seen so far only one bug (Panams phone somehow freezed in mid air during her talking scene)

I must say that I'm a bit glad that this time consoles were taken less seriously than a PC, in majority of cases is quite opposite (with a few exceptions like GTA V and CP2077).

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by haunter »

warpech wrote: post #2

It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

I have the PS4 version (yes, base not Pro) and it's 900p-720p dynamically switching and 25fps, maybe 30 in better cases. Which is utter trash. It's like watching movies in 360p on Youtube. Or listening to music in 64kbsp. On top of that the story doesn't save the game either which is mediocre at best especially compared to what was promised.

Then look at Ghost of Tsushima or RDR2 on the same console.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by nightski »

chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

The thing is CD Project Red has released it's games in a really rough state before. All of the Witcher games were brutal on release.

But every time they have not only released thousands of bug fixes/improvements for free, but also delivered large dlc/content updates.

The difference with CP2077 I believe is that it was just the highest profile launch they have ever had by a wide margin. They are too big now.

I don't regret pre-ordering at all, because they have always done right by me.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by gabereiser »

eznzt wrote: post #26
gabereiser wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At its core it’s a decent game. The issue is with so many bugs (many of which preventing a player from finishing a story quest) it’s hard to focus on the game when your copy keeps crashing, glitching, frustrating you.

>The issue is with so many bugs (many of which preventing a player from finishing a story quest) You should see games from The Elder Scrolls franchise. Even in the latest version of Skyrim there still are game-breaking bugs they have not fixed.

I’m familiar. I think ES franchise is prone to this, so was GTA and RDR2. The issue is gamers expect an entire world of simulation and effect. Ambitious large open world games suffer from this as dev teams don’t have enough QA to test everything and dev’s have to test it themselves. This ends up with a “works good under these circumstances” which circumstances are different when players play it at launch.

It’s a hard problem. Extremely large open world, thousands of scripts and triggers and things to test. I sympathize. Gamers are the hardest genre of users to please.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by falcolas »

jgust wrote: post #20
chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

It's a tragedy of the commons situation with gamer enthusiasts acting against their own best interest. If people can't delay gratification for something as inconsequential as "non-broken video games", I don't see how any personal responsibility campaign has any chance of working for things impacting society at large such as climate change, overfishing, public health, etc.

This isn't on the players. That's very much in the same line as blaming someone driving their car for the Gulf Oil Spill.

This is 100% on CDPR management. It's their job to set the right deadlines, to manage expectation and hype.

They failed, and should be held accountable for that failure.

EDIT: Yes, downvote this. Support CDPR's management and their shitty practices with their employees and their lying to players and investors. I'm sure you'll love the games that come about as a result.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by vlunkr »

evilturnip wrote: post #22
warpech wrote: post #2

It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

Not really the issue, also anecdotal. Clearly a large enough base complained for Sony to pull it from their Playstation store, and they've never done that before. The real issue is what was promised and teased and what was delivered. Honestly might border on false advertising. There are countless videos breaking down what was advertised in their promotional feature walkthrough videos and what was actually delivered (…

IMO The fact that they chose not to deliver review copies of the last-gen version until after the PC reviews were already in is the worst part of it. It seems pretty clear that they wanted to buy the game based on the PC reviews, when the last-gen version is clearly inferior.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by [deleted] »

jgust wrote: post #20
chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

It's a tragedy of the commons situation with gamer enthusiasts acting against their own best interest. If people can't delay gratification for something as inconsequential as "non-broken video games", I don't see how any personal responsibility campaign has any chance of working for things impacting society at large such as climate change, overfishing, public health, etc.

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Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by gabereiser »

bendoerr wrote: post #30
gabereiser wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At its core it’s a decent game. The issue is with so many bugs (many of which preventing a player from finishing a story quest) it’s hard to focus on the game when your copy keeps crashing, glitching, frustrating you.

Do you have an example of a bug that prevents quest completion? I've been lucky enough to not run into a single one during my 100+ hours so far and I've been trying to do every quest. I worry that these things keep getting said without people actually experiencing them. I have several friends playing on PS4 without the reported crashes. Not saying you haven't, I just don't have any direct knowledge of the issues that…

Here’s one right off the top of Google search: https://forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/game-break...

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by ceilingcorner »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #29
ceilingcorner wrote: post #16

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I considered going into the gaming industry years ago, but the audience is such a turnoff. It really holds the medium back as an art form.

> I considered going into the gaming industry years ago, but the audience is such a turnoff. I think that the issue isn't so much 'the audience' but the terrible work conditions associated with the gaming industry. > It really holds the medium back as an art form How? games are probably the most diverse art form in existence today, there is literally no rules to what a game can be.

The audience of gamers strikes me as perhaps the most immature, needlessly difficult group of art consumers in the world today. Even movies don’t get the same kind of petulant obsession and hostility that games do. I’m not sure if it’s just a consequence of gamers being younger or what, but it’s a major turnoff to me. The fact that CDPR devs got death threats because of game delays just says it all. Can you imagine something similar happening to a filmmaker?
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