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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by jariel »

finder83 wrote: post #889
jariel wrote: post #827

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"I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. " No - they aren't. The answer is very easy: They believe Donald Trump . Trump has credibility in their minds, and when he repeats the lie, over and over - that 'the election was stolen' - they believe it. On election night - he literally came out and said 'If you count the fake votes, Biden won' - declaring mass frau…

To be fair, CNN has proven multiple times in the last few years that their credibility is worth very little. They have a VERY extreme slant to the left, so much so that news casters were even becoming anti-vaxxers against the Covid-19 vaccine simply because Trump was the president at the time trying to push for people to take it. Their handling of Covid-19 early on was also atrocious. I don't mean to demean them if t…

CNN is a biased, but highly credible source, there is a difference.

We're not talking about 'Conservatives' or 'Republicans' because Trump is none of that, this has nothing to do with ideology.

Trump is neither a Conservative nor a Republican really.

Hardcore Trump fans are Trump fans, not ideological fans.

It's a cult of personality.

His words are the source of Truth to most supporters and that's that.

They believe him when he cast doubt on the election, and enough of them believe him completely.

That's not a 'left/right' or ideological issue.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by cmsj »

cmsj wrote: post #910
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

Why is there always this call to treat the less moderate right wing, who are clearly not connected with reality anymore, as though they are simultaneously extremely powerful, and weak little babies who need our help? When those people hold the reigns of power, they don't stop to think about how we're feeling. Why should we walk ourselves to them, why shouldn't they reflect on their anger and its consequences, and wal…

Joe Biden can't personally deradicalise 70+ million people. He's got maybe 2 years to get some stuff done before there is the risk of a mid-term power shift like Obama faced.

I would suggest that his agenda should have three priorities:

1) Get the pandemic under control 2) Do the opposite of the Republican's long agenda of gerrymandering/disenfranchising, to tip the scales back towards a point where a Democrat victory doesn't require exceptionally high turnouts 3) Make big changes that actually, materially, visibly improve the lives of the parts of society that have been suffering the most.

If Democrats can actually hold on to power for a decade, they have the opportunity to do the big, hard things that will improve life for everyone, and people have time to see the effects and appreciate them. As it stands right now, any Democrat victories seem to quickly revert to Republican control and anything they tried to do gets undone before it's finished.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by refurb »

yoz-y wrote: post #872
refurb wrote: post #857

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So one political party is just full of dumb racists and the other party is full of clear, rationale thinkers with no biases who only believe the truth and have never made a mistake or believed something that is untrue. That's you're theory? Really?

That's clearly a straw man. Parent said absolutely nothing about the other party.

Are you kidding we’re talking about Trump here. Are you inferring Democrats support him?

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Post by jariel »

ratww wrote: post #511
jimbob45 wrote: post #486

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Agreed. If I say, “One equals two”, and you say, “Don’t ever talk to me again, you racist”, then I’m never going to understand the flaws in my thinking and you’re going to wonder why you are unable to convert people to your side.

Nobody is going to call you a racist because you claim that 1=2. If you want to debate in good faith whether people are too quick to call others racist, maybe you should start the debate by enumerating what kind of speech have sparked those claims? Otherwise you're just being hyperbolic and increasing the political divide. I get that people are pissed for being called racist, but if they REALLY wanna fix that, the fi…

"Nobody is going to call you a racist because you claim that 1=2."

? A woman is under arrest for trying to grab what she thought was her phone back from a black kid. It's a national story.

In 2020, getting into an argument with a Black person is 'racist' and 'criminal' if you happen to be wrong.

The woman did 1=2, in that, her actions are wrong.

But because someone is a different colour, she's being destroyed and doxxed on the MSM for the assumption of racism. (Ironically, she could easily pass as a 'person of colour' if she chose to).

This is unfortunately a problem right now in politics and it's perpetuated by the press.

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Post by jariel »

jpttsn wrote: post #496
Tokkemon wrote: post #454

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It's far more likely that half the population has been duped into following someone because of clever conniving. Trump knew exactly what to do to build up that base and now that their head is gone, the chicken is running around in the yard with no direction wondering what the hell happened. Once the dust settles, I think a lot of those people will reintegrate into society, especially if they start to receive the bene…

I very rarely hear this hope expressed and I struggle to believe it—can you elaborate?

It's easy: this is a Trump phenom, and not an ideological or cultural phenom, mostly.

Trump has no ideology, he used Twitter, FB and mass media to lie to the masses, and a certain group believed him.

Once he has less power, he'll have less influence.

FoxNews commenters became rabidly in favour of he $2K stimulus checks when Trump announced it.

It was pretty funny watching thousands of Fox commenters, normally screaming at the hint of 'Socialism' - backing up Trump's $2K checque claims and how 'people are having a hard time these days, they need the money'.

It's really sad how they will flip ideologies to be consistent with whatever he says.

Once Trump has moved on, then there will be other priorities.

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Post by likeclockwork »

tarboreus wrote: post #504
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #362

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The Supreme Court has recognized that corporations are just ways of organizing people, and those people do have free speech rights. I’m not sure how this could be changed without a constitutional amendment. Unless you have another suggestion?

Use the laws on the books to make these companies public trusts, as was done to the large trusts in the 20th century. If there is real competition on these platforms, if there were many app stores, then this wouldn't be an issue. These five or six companies have too much consolidated power.

You want to nationalize social media and smartphone OSes? Fine.

You're over private property? Okay, me too.

But let's handle these requests in the order they arrived, that's fair isn't it? We'll get to social media right after we nationalize health care and energy.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by BlueTemplar »

favorited wrote: post #711
BlueTemplar wrote: post #443

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It's also not Apple's job to do any policing before Parler has been found guilty by a court.

It's Apple's job to do what they think is best for their ecosystem. That's pretty much their whole job.

Nobody is forced to install Parler.

Apple, as a maker of (very!) personal, general computers shouldn't have any say on what the computer users can or can not do once they bought these computers.

In fact, IMHO they shouldn't be allowed to control the App Store at all. (Of course this also goes for their competition : Google, Microsoft, probably even Canonical.)

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Post by jariel »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #908
TheGRS wrote: post #834

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Also the main argument this group was making for the last 2 months was to disenfranchise much of the US voting population. The people voted, and this group attempted to say it wasn't legitimate. They proved nothing in court to their claims, but persisted anyway right up until they got worked up into a frenzy and stormed the Capitol.

Voter ID, removal of hackable voting machines, and hand count of votes are not disenfranchisement. You may have been told by the media that it is, but it's not. Many advanced democracies have such things in place.

This is completely false.

The machines are not hacked, and the voter rolls are legitimate.

There is zero evidence of systematic fraud, therefore, there is no 'disenfranchisement'.

To suggest that 'maybe one day, someone could mess with our election' is not 'disenfranchisement'.

"You may have been told by the media" - Rudy Giuilani and the President clearly failed to make a case or provide any evidence - moreover, they lied, lied and lied through the process and have no credibility.

The election was fine - Trump's claims of fraud are completely fabricated.

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Post by shakkhar »

mleonhard wrote: post #841
bebopcowboy wrote: post #364

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There are a lot of people on Twitter calling for violence, Apple and Twitter don’t care as long as it’s directed at the right people.

Your reply is whataboutism. Whataboutism is not part of respectful productive discussions.

It's not whataboutism. It highlights the hypocrisy of such "policy enforcement".
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