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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by mleonhard »

bebopcowboy wrote: post #364
ENOTTY wrote: post #262

There are a lot of posts on Parler calling for violence, which violate Parler's terms of service. Parler itself doesn't appear to have strategy for moderating these posts. Apple's ultimatum demands Parler implement a plan for enforcing its own terms of service, and reduce the probability that Parler is used to incite violence.

There are a lot of people on Twitter calling for violence, Apple and Twitter don’t care as long as it’s directed at the right people.

Your reply is whataboutism. Whataboutism is not part of respectful productive discussions.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by Digory »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #233
lovecg wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. It would be very dangerous if people in charge, say, prohibited Apple (a private company) from removing Parler. Thankfully, the 1st amendment is still in power and Apple is free to express itself as it sees fit.

You're arguing as if there were no precedent for this, but there already are bounds to how Apple can "express itself". They cannot refuse to serve people of a certain race for example. So are we in a dangerous place now, or should Apple be allowed to exclude people by race?

Should Apple have to bake a wedding cake for Parler? Discuss.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by rsyring »

geedy wrote: post #833
mlac wrote: post #802

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is something I've had an issue with for a while. It's not a great move to assume that conservatives are dumb. There are plenty of brilliant people who hold conservative values. Their idea of "success" may not follow the path of others who have moved from their hometown to a coast working in IT. Or the path of those who were "enlightened" with advanced degrees where the sophisticated choice is obviously to be a d…

> It's not a great move to assume that conservatives are dumb, racist, and unsophisticated. I don't love labels, but I don't think "conservatives" are simply any of those things. This isn't an original thought, but I think they are mostly afraid of losing their community if they change their mind. Fear of disconnection is innate and biological. When my trump supporting friends say "I believe it" to somebody suggestin…

I'm a conservative and it has zero to do with identifying with a certain community or concern about being rejected by them.

Republican candidates are more likely to vote on issues I care about in a way that aligns with my values. That alignment is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than it would be with a Democrat, especially a progressive Democrat.

That's why I typically vote Republican, sometimes begrudgingly. Has nothing to do with belonging to a community. In fact, the communities I am a part of rarely discuss politics. We discuss values that inform our politics, but the politics themselves are secondary.

I have absolutely no fear of social disconnection due to my political views. If I was to suddenly start voting democratic, no one in my closest circles would even need to know.

And I care nothing about whether progressives accept me. I simply have very different values and don't believe where they want our culture and country to move is healthy. So, I don't support them in elections. How they feel about me is irrelevant.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by jolincost »

design-material wrote: post #776
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I don't fully understand their perspective. Imagine: a leader calls for a certain racial, ethnic, or religious group to be barred entry to their country. This is a textbook example of racist policies. Half the population either - voted him because of those policies (and so are racist),…

Straw man

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by jolincost »

Quinner wrote: post #525
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

Five years ago civil society was in general agreement that racism was bad and that we should respect the democratic process instead of seeking to violently overthrow it. Of course there were people who disagreed but they were at the margins and their voices were isolated to a few forums most people never heard of. A demagogue came along and used mass media platforms to destabilize the norms of civil society and give…

Straw man. Pretending it's racism

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by jolincost »

rootusrootus wrote: post #641
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

I'll be honest -- I haven't really seen any cases where someone was deplatformed for a legitimate political view. By that I mean a viewpoint that is at least tolerant, if nothing else. If the argument against deplatforming is that people should be allowed to heap hatred on gay people or other minorities, then it's not a particularly strong argument. Maybe this is just inherent to a conservative viewpoint, I don't kno…

You're not being honest. Abusing meaning of word legitimate

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by jolincost »

bjtitus wrote: post #47
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Pretending illegitimacy
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