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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by mlyle »

jariel wrote: post #827
nicbou wrote: post #153

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Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

"I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. " No - they aren't. The answer is very easy: They believe Donald Trump . Trump has credibility in their minds, and when he repeats the lie, over and over - that 'the election was stolen' - they believe it. On election night - he literally came out and said 'If you count the fake votes, Biden won' - declaring mass frau…

The thing I find interesting, seeing distant relations on Facebook talk about this, is that they tend to hold seemingly mutually-contradictory views and spout them in a span of minutes.

e.g. "I was there, and it was antifa dressed as Trump supporters that broke into the Capitol. We believe in law and order and would never do anything like this ..." followed by statements saying that they are going to take over buildings in DC again on January 19th.

There's something deeper here, among many of them, than simply consuming different media.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by mike00632 »

jessaustin wrote: post #629
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #526

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A significant number of people are threatened by rational critical thinking. They instill these values in their children who then they go off on raving rampages touting false patriotism. You can't make them listen. Taking away their echo chambers is the only way to cool them off.

...is the only way... Wait, has this actually worked before? Ever? Do you have examples? For instance, when they denied "radical Islamist groups" access to popular social media, "radical Islamist groups" just started using less popular social media that is harder to keep tabs on. "Radical Islamist groups" certainly haven't disappeared...

YES. Recently many platforms were key in deplatforming ISIS and slowing the rate of radicalization. ISIS was an internet phenomenon and when their media was pushed to less famous outlets then their outreach was weakened.

Ever since the beginning of the Internet webhosting companies have colluded to deplatform the KKK and a few other notorious white supremacist groups. This has been largely successful in curbing the outreach of the KKK in the United States. It's also why YouTube is getting a lot of criticism for embracing white supremacist groups and facilitating thier growing outreach. This is a break from long-running comm business practices.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by geedy »

mlac wrote: post #802
nxc18 wrote: post #512

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> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

This is something I've had an issue with for a while. It's not a great move to assume that conservatives are dumb. There are plenty of brilliant people who hold conservative values. Their idea of "success" may not follow the path of others who have moved from their hometown to a coast working in IT. Or the path of those who were "enlightened" with advanced degrees where the sophisticated choice is obviously to be a d…

> It's not a great move to assume that conservatives are dumb, racist, and unsophisticated.

I don't love labels, but I don't think "conservatives" are simply any of those things.

This isn't an original thought, but I think they are mostly afraid of losing their community if they change their mind.

Fear of disconnection is innate and biological. When my trump supporting friends say "I believe it" to somebody suggesting that the Capitol Hill rioters were antifa pretending to be trump supporters, their lack of interest in challenging their own beliefs stems from the risk incurred with disagreeing with their friends and loved ones.

This effect is so strong that our brains give hits of dopamine whenever our beliefs are confirmed. We are not weird to change our minds.

So no. "Conservatives" aren't dumb. Just like the rest of us, they biologically afraid of social disconnection. And all that shouting across the isle makes it harder for them to see "progressives" accepting them.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by TheGRS »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #261
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

We already know from history what happens when large groups are disenfranchised from the public sphere. Violence. Lots of it. And once it starts, it's not easily stopped. Some welcome this because they think it can be managed for their own purposes. But once civil order breaks down, things simply accelerate with no possibility of talk being able to stop it anymore. It takes on a life of its own. Those who dream of th…

Also the main argument this group was making for the last 2 months was to disenfranchise much of the US voting population. The people voted, and this group attempted to say it wasn't legitimate. They proved nothing in court to their claims, but persisted anyway right up until they got worked up into a frenzy and stormed the Capitol.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by whatthesmack »

kmbfjr wrote: post #582
botwriter wrote: post #279

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Why does the left have to censor the right? Surely they should be able to beat the right with logical and reasoned arguments? Censorship has always struck me as a tool that a side which isn't confident in its arguments uses.

Maybe the right needs to understand that no corporation is required to give them their platform. It isn’t “censorship” to toss your ass off Twitter for violating their TOS. It is censorship for the government to demand Twitter shut ya down See the distinction?

> It isn’t “censorship” to toss your ass off Twitter for violating their TOS

This is a misnomer. It's certainly censorship to "toss your ass off Twitter", even if somebody's arbitrary interpretation of a TOS concludes in the finding of a violation.

The concept of free speech doesn't just restrict the government via the First Amendment... it is a tradition and a founding principle (as documented in the Federalist Papers) of the United States of America, as well as a social contract.

I would argue that companies are obligated to abide by the principles of free speech, not from a legal perspective, but from a social perspective, lest they face the consequence of controversy Twitter is currently facing for banning the account of a sitting US President.

Ultimately, silencing people you disagree with is a no-win path to go down.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by ookblah »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

yeah... i would agree if there was actually a "debate" happening. anecdotally i can say the majority of people who are 100% on board his stop the steal stuff are not discussing in good faith. at some point you stop paying attention and if, like in this case, it turns to violence you do what you can to stop it.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by mleonhard »

I just downloaded the Parler app on iOS. I am unable to create an account. The signup screen's "next" button does nothing.

Is the Parler backend down? Their website https://home.parler.com does not have a status page. I found a news report saying that the app was overloaded earlier today after Twitter banned Trump.

Their signup page asks for email address and phone number. Maybe their backend purchased my profile from Axciom or another analytics company and is silently refusing me an account. Or maybe they don't let people in San Francisco sign up?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by pixl97 »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #682
botwriter wrote: post #279

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Why does the left have to censor the right? Surely they should be able to beat the right with logical and reasoned arguments? Censorship has always struck me as a tool that a side which isn't confident in its arguments uses.

Because every single time the left agrees to sit down and have a conversation with “reason and logical arguments” they get met with bad-fair arguments. In spite of this, they keep offering. As soon as they do anything except bend-over-backwards to accomodate the right, they are met with “so much for the tolerant left”. Is it any surprise that people get fed up when this is all they’re ever met with. If you can’t come…

"Meet in the middle" says the man in bad faith.

You take one step forward, he takes one step back.

"Meet in the middle" says the man in bad faith.

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Post by colinmhayes »

tanseydavid wrote: post #543
colinmhayes wrote: post #509

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>I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I don't fully understand their perspective. I don't think you've met enough people. Most people I've met are gullible idiots who are looking for excuses to believe nonsense.

In all seriousness, if most people you have met are 'gullible idiots who are looking for excuses to believe nonsense', then it may be you, perhaps, who has 'not met enough people?'

That's possible, but 75 million people voted for a con man, so it seems unlikely.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

nxc18 wrote: post #512
nicbou wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

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