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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by danans »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #233
lovecg wrote: post #197

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I agree. It would be very dangerous if people in charge, say, prohibited Apple (a private company) from removing Parler. Thankfully, the 1st amendment is still in power and Apple is free to express itself as it sees fit.

You're arguing as if there were no precedent for this, but there already are bounds to how Apple can "express itself". They cannot refuse to serve people of a certain race for example. So are we in a dangerous place now, or should Apple be allowed to exclude people by race?

> So are we in a dangerous place now, or should Apple be allowed to exclude people by race?

Race is a protected class per the law. Parler is not

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by yoz-y »

refurb wrote: post #857
nxc18 wrote: post #512

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> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

So one political party is just full of dumb racists and the other party is full of clear, rationale thinkers with no biases who only believe the truth and have never made a mistake or believed something that is untrue. That's you're theory? Really?

That's clearly a straw man. Parent said absolutely nothing about the other party.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by dragonwriter »

nicbou wrote: post #153
bjtitus wrote: post #47

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> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels.

The GOP is only 29% of the electorate by party ID, 31% by share of eligible population voting for their 2020 Presidential nominee. Not “half of the population”.

But whether the members of the GOP are “dumb, racist, and all those other labels” kind of has nothing to do with what you quoted, which is about whether lawsuits filed by a narrow segment of the party in this cycle are overwhelmingly legally without merit or are somehow being systematically reject by rampant conspiracy or bias against the President in both state and federal judiciaries, which in the relevant states and the Federal system lean significantly Republican, and where many of the specific decisions have been handed down by Republican judges (some appointed by this Administration.)

That's not a question about whether the GOP membership as a whole racist, stupid, or whatever else, but whether a present President and his allies are filing lawsuits in bad faith as part of propaganda campaign to publicly discredit their defeat in the election.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by phs318u »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #804
nxc18 wrote: post #512

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> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

> Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. The racists during the time of slavery and Jim Crow made no attempt to deny their racism. The large majority of Republicans, including Trump, denounce racism. The news will find every schmuck with a confederate flag and put them on the TV, but that doesn't explain why a Republican majority Senate passed criminal justice reform and Trump signed it. > S…

The implication is that one major political party has eaten of the forbidden fruit of no-bottom populism. Power at any cost, and who cares if it means we rile up rubes by telling them whatever they want to hear - sympathising with whatever dumbass thing they believe in (without actually saying we believe it too). Everyone in the RNC that went along had the delusion that they could control this golem of their own making. Recent events provend them wrong, and a whole bunch of them just had their "oh shit" moment. So no, the Republicans aren't dumb. They just got too greedy. Gerrymandering wasn't enough. Voter disenfranchisement laws weren't enough. They had to " go there" - where many, many other political movements have gone before. Take one poor, struggling, powerless mass of people, and relentlessly feed their ignorance, victim-hood, desire for some control in their lives. And do so dishonestly, carelessly and with no thought for the outcome or those people themselves.

As a long-time Black Sabbath fan, the RNC's actions in recent days remind me of the lyrics of this song: https://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/black+sabbath/too+late_2001932...

EDIT: It occurs to me that the DNC has done this _to an extent_ with people of colour. However I do believe there is a qualitative difference. Think Bolsonaro vs Ardern.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by 0xy »

layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #800
guscost wrote: post #105

Remember “If you don’t like Twitter’s rules, you are perfectly free to make your own platform”? I suppose we are perfectly free to make our own pocket computers now, right?

While you’re at it, you should create your own payment processor too, because Mastercard and Visa will refuse to accept payments for your racist pocket computers.

Don't forget to create your own bank, because banks have begun engaging in deplatforming for political reasons as well.

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Post by chii »

ncann wrote: post #817
aksss wrote: post #521

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We've spent a couple years now (right?) tacitly approving rioting as an acceptable response to feeling disenfranchised. Now we're surprised when the same medicine gets used by others. For either side, I'm not sure it's proper minimize their complaints. If the BLM crowd says they have a serious problem with police violence, the best reaction is, "what can we do to restore confidence?" Similarly, when 40% of the countr…

> The lesson here is to condemn all rioting, set expectations that are equally applied to all segments of society. I can't agree with this more. Through this event and what happened last year I can see how incredibly bias the media is when portraying protests and riots. During BLM, there's barely any coverage on the looting and destruction caused by "protesters" on mainstream media. There was a very clear attempt to…

Yep, the BLM rioting and looting was not covered well by the leftwing media, in the same way that the right wing media covers only the sections/events they want to display to make their point and distort their truths. Both sides is guilty of such.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by phs318u »

kiawe_fire wrote: post #859
nicbou wrote: post #153

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Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

I can tell you from my experience that, regardless of forum, I feel rarely given the chance to even give a perspective that I feel is taken seriously, because the immediate assumption is that anyone who has opinion "x" on subject "y" must be a bigot and/or uneducated (and therefore should not be listened to), and, using circular logic, they know this because opinion "x" is a bigoted or uneducated opinion. I have high…

Thank you for your comment. It's thoughtful and insightful. And while we could argue some of the points (e.g. health-care - my view is Obamacare was hobbled). If I may however, I'd like to point out how unlikely it is that anyone making this exact comment would ever be banned from any platform. Given the topic of this post, this is an important point. And by the way, it's this quality of post that keeps me coming back to HN. So, thank you and best of luck to you. Please continue contributing to the commons with your comments.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

danans wrote: post #871
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're arguing as if there were no precedent for this, but there already are bounds to how Apple can "express itself". They cannot refuse to serve people of a certain race for example. So are we in a dangerous place now, or should Apple be allowed to exclude people by race?

> So are we in a dangerous place now, or should Apple be allowed to exclude people by race? Race is a protected class per the law. Parler is not

Which makes zero difference in principle.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by brnt »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

"They" elected a president 4 years ago. How mainstream can you get?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by bendmorris »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #541
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

A republican sees this election as an attack on democracy -- an election that was stolen. A democrat sees the election as a grab for power. Both are right in their actions from their own point of view.

False equivalence, because there is zero rational basis to believe the election was stolen. People who are motivated to convince others of this are lying to them. Some are literally inventing "evidence" like registered voter counts that have been shown to be inaccurate, or arguing that states violated their own laws, when the state supreme court, the final adjudicator, rules otherwise.

Frankly, it doesn't matter "who is right in their own point of view." We have to be able to stipulate to a basic set of facts that are supported by objective evidence. You can't just make shit up and expect everyone else to cater to it.

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