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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

They’re being de-platformed for the same reason the Marriott kicks a homeless person out of the lobby or Amtrak kicks a loud person out of the quiet car: most of the platform’s users don’t want them there.

, or a black woman gets kicked off a bus

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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It sounds dystopian because it is! Shame on you all!

I know, its my knee-jerk reaction :( But this is how I feel right now and so many Americans. Trump is getting banned left and right as we speak. We have freedom of speech, just not for seditious, insurrectionists. No country in the world would tolerate what US has tolerated so far. I also recognize, fully, this is a slippery slope and there should be a pretty high bar for banning people on social media platforms. I w…

No offence but maybe the country that drone-strikes children in middle east, south america, and asia should be destroyed and the one who manages that should be named a hero.

It has become tiresome seeing americans (both left and right) whine all the time about every single thing while they silently ignore that they are bombing civilians.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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I get what you're saying but the other side of the coin is maybe the society at large is rejecting them. And they need to understand that they're not guaranteed an audience, If the society at large doesn't want to listen then they'll have to sloowly try to win some support. They seem to forget that many on the left fought tooth and nail historically for things we now consider for granted but society wasn't on board f…

>I get what you're saying but the other side of the coin is maybe the society at large is rejecting them. "Society at large" isn't doing any of this - a few billionaires in silicon valley are - that's the issue. Who is this, "them" you speak of? The false, binary left/right paradigm is a contrived illusion used to fool and manipulate simple people. What speech isn't okay? What's the standard used to silence people fr…

Who is being silenced from what public Square? Facebook and Twitter are not the public square. If you'd prefer that they be considered as such then you better get cracking on some legislation/regulation or nationalize these privately held for-profit companies.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Thank fucking god. These tech companies were complicit in an incompetent but serious insurrection attempt. Better late than never, but they must have known things were going to get bad. The right and the associated white supremists have far too much freedom to spread disinformation, racism and hatred. I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy.

This is very bad for democracy. Who gets to decide what constitutes disinformation, racism or hatred? If you have someone who decides who can speak and what they are allowed to say, that person holds all the power and is hence a dictator. Having a dictator isn't very democratic.

>Who gets to decide what constitutes disinformation, racism or hatred?

Apple, if it's on their platform. In an alternate universe, the elected representatives of the populace.

>If you have someone who decides who can speak and what they are allowed to say

The U.S. and all countries already do this through the numerous exceptions to free speech rights.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Suddenly half the population is realizing the cons of centralized platforms. Curious if this moment sparks renewed interest in decentralized tech of yesteryear ie the good ol world wide web.

That half voted for Trump. They aren't going to realize anything.

They’re clearly realizing it. There’s no need to be so condescending by acting like they’re too stupid to seek out alternatives.

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> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

I think what really annoys the far right is how the far left seems to get an easy ride.

There's plenty of left-wing conspiracy theories. The current ones seem to be that the Capitol Police were allowing it to happen (not just through incompetence). This is given a huge amount of credence, but I'm willing to bet that it will mostly be proven to be conspiracy thinking and hysteria.

It's actually a bit exhausting.

It's not at all clear that the police are "opening gates" on that one shakey zoom shot (hundreds of people, but it's just one zoom shot that shows it, hmmm). It looks to me like an officer has their hand forced aside as a large number of protesters push the barrier, which looks a bit like they are "opening the gate" (it's not a gate). And they do abandon the post once they're outnumbered and no longer have a barrier, so what? If there's a shot from another angle that makes the police look better, I expect very few people on the left will want to share it.

I don't expect any real thanks for pointing this out. Rather, like hysterical conspiracy theorists, I expect people will then say "Yeah, well ... how about the selfie?" (You mean, the cop who was encouraging criminals to post evidence of their crime?). That's what conspiracy theorists do, they don't stop and critically reassess their position when they're shown that a piece of evidence is weak. They don't realise that they're caught in a bubble where poor evidence is amplified as long as it supports their position, they just assume that the debunker is a bad guy and reach for a new piece of evidence to use as a weapon.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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These groups became violent while still enfranchised. And they're still enfranchised: they can still vote, and still post to the internet, and still talk to people outside. They simply no longer get a free internet loud speaker to envangelize to others.

We've spent a couple years now (right?) tacitly approving rioting as an acceptable response to feeling disenfranchised. Now we're surprised when the same medicine gets used by others. For either side, I'm not sure it's proper minimize their complaints. If the BLM crowd says they have a serious problem with police violence, the best reaction is, "what can we do to restore confidence?" Similarly, when 40% of the countr…

> We've spent a couple years now (right?) tacitly approving rioting as an acceptable response to feeling disenfranchised.

We have? You mean the police response, thousands of arrests, riot gear, national guard deployments across the US was "tacitly approving rioting?"

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

Where is racism "literally written" into the constitution? edit: look I know it's bad form on here to complain about being downvoted, but I was asking an honest question. Chill, people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Were you not here when the James Damore debacle happened? And he was hardly expressing a political PoV, just trying to marshall some data on good faith to respond to his company's solicitation for ideas people had to solve a tough problem.

The Google engineer, right? I try not to read too much into company politics. Even at a relatively large company it can get very personal. AFAIK he wasn't really deplatformed anyway, he was fired. It seems that the NLRB decided the firing was proper. That's the sum total of my knowledge, and at first glance I don't think it's a good comparison with the larger discussion about deplatforming on public services.

I'd consider getting fired a much more serious form of ostracism than deplatforming. Getting banned from Twitter doesn't affect your ability to pay rent.

I personally put the blame for his firing more on the blatantly distorted and sometimes even outright counterfactual coverage of his message. The number of mainstream and well respected outlets that falsely claimed he wrote that women are biologically less capable engineers, rather than that they lower predilection to enter the field , was disturbing. After his memo Google announced that they wouldn't set quotas for groups beyond the demographic's representation in the field. The people I know at Google felt that the reaction was overblown.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

Who is "We"? Why do you assume HN users aren't Trump supporters? Many people see this from a totally different perspective. In most countries, these recent events would be called a coup, performed by the blue faction of the establishment.
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