Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by nackerhewz » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

mmastrac wrote: post #8

Thank fucking god. These tech companies were complicit in an incompetent but serious insurrection attempt. Better late than never, but they must have known things were going to get bad. The right and the associated white supremists have far too much freedom to spread disinformation, racism and hatred. I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy.

This is very bad for democracy.

Who gets to decide what constitutes disinformation, racism or hatred?

If you have someone who decides who can speak and what they are allowed to say, that person holds all the power and is hence a dictator. Having a dictator isn't very democratic.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by throwaway3699 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

tempsy wrote: post #23

Suddenly half the population is realizing the cons of centralized platforms. Curious if this moment sparks renewed interest in decentralized tech of yesteryear ie the good ol world wide web.

I do agree with you, though keep in mind that the previous version of the web worked great when it was run by engineers (that cared about silly things like freedom of speech) and not valueless executives.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by ed25519FUUU » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

2016-2020 is going to leave such a hangover for everyone who abandoned their convictions for free speech and open platforms.

Pre-2016 San Francisco used to be full of people with HUGE distrust of the USA intelligence apparatus, distrust of mainstream news, and strong convictions about free speech and open platforms. And where are they now?

"Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by abernard1 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

mlyle wrote: post #24

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

Yah. IMO-- only the most directly dangerous stuff -- incitements to violence-- should be removed. If you chase them out of Twitter, they'll make an even worse echo-chamber. > Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. > If you deny them the usual channels, is it surprising that they take the other route? On the other hand, if what they're asserting is crazy and unsupported by…

> On the other hand, if what they're asserting is crazy and unsupported by fact, what's the alternative?

How is this any different from the entirety of human history? America has gotten along quite fine without a central Ministry of Information directing what people should and should not believe is true. It is especially galling to think that some content moderators in the very narrow slice of society in Bay Area tech is qualified to do that job.

We've reached the point where the American left is afraid of the idea of free speech.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by mnouquet » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

throwaway3699 wrote: post #19

mmastrac wrote: post #8

Thank fucking god. These tech companies were complicit in an incompetent but serious insurrection attempt. Better late than never, but they must have known things were going to get bad. The right and the associated white supremists have far too much freedom to spread disinformation, racism and hatred. I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy.

> I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy. Yeah, I think I'm done with this industry. When did everyone become a fascist all of a sudden? Edit: Fascism literally means big corporations and governments imposing a moral structure on society. What Apple is doing is fascist. It's also stupidly anticompetitive by not booting Facebook and Twitter off for the same…

> Yeah, I think I'm done with this industry. When did everyone become a fascist all of a sudden?

Ever since SJW decided that if you weren't with them, you were against them, ie. you were a fascist.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by nailer » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

Pxtl wrote: post #22

There's an amusing irony in the downvotes in this thread. The champions of free-speech angry that Apple might ban a platform for speech that ultimately led to an attempted insurrection? These champions of free speech seem to be agressively trying to silence anybody happy about this news.

What was the insurrection? Some protestors got into the Capitol building. Don't make it out like it's more than it is.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by varjag » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

vimy wrote: post #28

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by systemvoltage » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

It’s sounds dystopian but I want a complete crackdown of this trump nonsense. I don’t want my kids to grow up with these idiots nor do I want Trumpism ever to be anywhere near my family.

Trump has destroyed America. Ban him from every platform.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by egypturnash » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

vimy wrote: post #28

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by ironman1478 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

Pxtl wrote: post #22

There's an amusing irony in the downvotes in this thread. The champions of free-speech angry that Apple might ban a platform for speech that ultimately led to an attempted insurrection? These champions of free speech seem to be agressively trying to silence anybody happy about this news.

I think to prescribe irony would mean that the people downvoting simply have conflicting opinions and made a mistake or something. Parler is an app that, regardless of its intentions, is used to promote far right extremism and many of the people on the platform promote terrorism and facism. These people don't care about free speech. Their lives suck and can't conceptualize the fact that its not black people's fault or other's fault for their crappy life. Its the people they vote for and their immediate surroundings (so probably parents) that are at fault.