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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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I’m so done with all of this. It’s time to break them up. Who is “them”? All of them.

Especially the media channels - from Fox downwards. Make lying to the public a criminal offence. Without lies these channels are nothing.

Lies are a strong political tool, for both ultimate good or ill.

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Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

They’re being de-platformed for the same reason the Marriott kicks a homeless person out of the lobby or Amtrak kicks a loud person out of the quiet car: most of the platform’s users don’t want them there.

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Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

> We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the population out of public debate They didn't exist in the public debate to begin with. Social media opened that up. We're realizing just how negatively impactful a village idiot with a megaphone the size of a city block can be.

Yes, the problem is this; I’m not interested in what someone who is dumb enough to storm the Capitol building has to say. And they aren’t interested in having a debate on the facts either, so what are we going to discuss? I don’t get how we can come together and make this better...

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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> They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. "in defense of looting" And while I'm at it - why isn't China being deplatformed? They literally just posted on their embassy twitter account saying they fixed minority women who were "baby-making machines." One can only guess they mean sterilization. It's obvious who's allowed to be inhumane…

I can read quite clearly between the lines of your comment, but I’m still having trouble finding where in my comment I said that users calling for violence on social media should be exempt from sanctions if they’re left-leaning.

> we take whatever measures we have to to get rid of it for the greater good of society

Justifying around the "greater good" is so obviously fraught and subjective.

And since the workers in tech are overwhelmingly liberal, they will undoubtedly bias policies of mass communication platforms to disallow opposition.

Oddly enough people so concerned with minority representation will steam-roll minorities when they make blind "greater good" majoritarianism the norm.

And nowadays the definition of "harm" has been trivialized so far that really practically anything is a target.

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And the core network is even more aggressive in censorship (err, defederation) than the tech giants.

And that's fine! It doesn't depend on that core network. Make your own. That's what open source is for!

I always thought it was the perfect solution, if by accident. The network is segmented, and people can connect to who they tolerate. It avoids censorship but still lets people curate their own experience. Win/win.

Gab used to be federated through to Mastodon (not directly of course, but via a hop or two). For some reason they stopped, but there are other "non-conforming" Mastodon instances out there.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

They were never part of public debate. They were just talking amongst themselves, showing each other what they wanted to hear, and validating their own beliefs in a downwards spiral towards eventual extremism. This is enabled by the internet more than any specific social network. It's like sending someone to prison and expecting them to turn into a law abiding citizen: hard when all your peers are also criminals. Now the internet has essentially allowed such criminals to gather virtually and fester in their toxic ideas much in the same way a high school outcast may find they aren't alone when they get out of high school.

One of the logical fallacies from pro-free-speech defenders of these people is the assumption that these ideas were organically developed. But I can assure you there is propaganda and foreign and domestic special interests that are intentionally shaping the thoughts and ideas from these people. I know in the Chinese community that interests like Falun Gong (an organization that believes extra-terrestrial Aliens are manipulating humans to intermix racially in order to subjugate us as well as other less-than-progressive beliefs like homophobia) have been heavily pro-Trump because of his anti-China policies, and they've been putting out a lot of toxic content aimed at Chinese-Americans [1] [2]. This is a disinformation war and taking actions like this is a part of war, otherwise services like Twitter are just complicit in aiding misinformation campaigns by one side.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/01/07/trump-qanon-... - Falun Gong organized "Stop the Steal" protests in Taiwan

[2] http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14013938 - Same Falun Gong protests in Japan

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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> They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. "in defense of looting" And while I'm at it - why isn't China being deplatformed? They literally just posted on their embassy twitter account saying they fixed minority women who were "baby-making machines." One can only guess they mean sterilization. It's obvious who's allowed to be inhumane…

I can read quite clearly between the lines of your comment, but I’m still having trouble finding where in my comment I said that users calling for violence on social media should be exempt from sanctions if they’re left-leaning.

Also, beware the false equivalence between smashing a store window and stealing some crap vs. actually attacking a human being. They will use the word "violence" to describe both, rather than get into a definition war with them, just keep the distinction clear.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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It’s sounds dystopian but I want a complete crackdown of this trump nonsense. I don’t want my kids to grow up with these idiots nor do I want Trumpism ever to be anywhere near my family. Trump has destroyed America. Ban him from every platform.

It sounds dystopian because it is! Shame on you all!

I know, its my knee-jerk reaction :( But this is how I feel right now and so many Americans.

Trump is getting banned left and right as we speak. We have freedom of speech, just not for seditious, insurrectionists. No country in the world would tolerate what US has tolerated so far.

I also recognize, fully, this is a slippery slope and there should be a pretty high bar for banning people on social media platforms. I would say Trump and Trumpism, QAnon and all this has crossed the line.

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