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Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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If there is a normal order in societies, it must be the fruit of an anterior crisis. Things have to get ugly before they get better. Here’s to the greater good.

Not disputing this theory, but want to add: This, if true, is only the case because of our collective human short-sightedness, greed and stupidity.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Privacy aligns with Apple’s revenue model (selling hardware) but not with Facebook’s (selling ads). This is the only reason you should have faith that Apple will work to protect your privacy, while Facebook will work to undermine it.

Everyone says that Apple’s business is selling hardware but that’s changing. Apple Music, Apple TV, iCloud storage and their commission on app sales are all clear software incentives. Yes, they’re still dominated by hardware sales but it’s obvious they are interested in diversifying.

That might be true. But still those are all paid services, and not ad subsidized ones.

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FB signaling is not targeted at you or me, Grandma, or most of the rest of the public. It is to show a credible commitment to Apple's other adversaries, in an attempt to rally enough power to take them down a peg and (more importantly) win some control over the Iphone platform.

Given the wording, I still don't see how this works. A more long term, indirect approach would probably work better. If Facebook had a continuous, long term, PR campaign, where they reasonably established themselves as helping small businesses, and then they did this. I would get it. But like this? In isolation, it feels more like a knee jerk reaction and not a thought out messaging campaign. My guess is that the roo…

The small business stuff is just rationale for the rubes. It is a stalking-horse argument for their real interests.

And I'm not sure what unfair 'nefarious intent' people are assigning - FB have made it clear that one of their goals is reducing Apple's control over their own platform.

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They can’t hire people with good ideas anymore because as we know money isn’t a great motivator (and besides, there are more ethical companies within 10 miles paying as much or more than Facebook). They can’t hire good people anymore because their mission is naive and their reputation precedes them.

> because as we know money isn’t a great motivator HR industry would like you to believe that, but it's an intentional bastardization of the original research by Kahneman and Deaton (1), twisting their words to fit their cost cutting agenda. The original finding states that past a rather high threshold (~$75k), additional raise alone is an insufficient motivator. Below that threshold, money alone works just fine as a…

75k a year number is brainwashing, being rich is better. 75k is poverty with a family in many parts of the USA

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I spent five years golden handcuffed at Facebook and hired a large number of brilliant, driven people there. Most of them are still there because of the obscenely large sums of money Facebook pays to keep them there. Note that Facebook does not do counteroffers, and instead makes sure to keep the best people financially motivated to stay each year.

What exactly does that mean, "Facebook does not do counteroffers"? So you name an amount and either take you or not?

To clarify, if you're employed at Facebook and get an offer from another company, Facebook won't attempt to counter that offer to keep you. The initial offer to get employed at Facebook is of course negotiable.

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It's also pretty naive reasoning. Author thinks a significant enough number of people are going to care? Facebook has survived- no, thrived despite multiple public scandals, some of which were far more substantive than complaining about Apple's privacy policy.

A few months ago, I would have completely agreed with you. But the number of facebook addicts that I know that have quit facebook recently, are starting to make me rethink my position on this. I know it's just anecdotal, but maybe it's also not.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/247614/number-of-monthly...

Maybe we are indeed in the beginning of a trend reversal, but we don't have enough data to support that as far as I know.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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The proliferation of spyware has become unbearable. You cannot anymore use any app or service - even the paid ones - without having to worry that any of your data is being collected. And no, reading through piles of TOS and privacy disclaimers is not gonna solve this. Users must gain control back and opt-in must be the default.

Full Open Source and Libre software will be a solution, as it has always been.

Is there any other real solution, besides emotional rhetoric? I don't believe regulation will really help, they will just skirt the lines and have lots of oopses.

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Huh I don’t know. Maybe the $200k salary for entry level developers is exciting? Or maybe it’s the ability to work on a product that is a household name for billions of people?

Yeah it’s very exciting to work on the best ways to spread misinformation, incite division and ruin democracy. Or maybe they’re pulled in by the charismatic CEO-bot?

The CIA still gets people excited to work for them so ruining democracy and spreading misinformation are certainty draws for the right people

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I think when you consider Mark Zuckerberg’s view of you and I, and the world at large, it makes sense. https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1299158-fake-mark-zuckerberg...

What does a meme that are jokes have to do with anything?

That Mark Zuckerberg doesn’t care about you one bit, and the matter how much you want to defend him, it won’t change anything.
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