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Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

onei wrote: post #53
abhinav22 wrote: post #20

I was a big supporter of Apple for a long time and welcomed privacy focused initiatives when they first started making noise a while back. However since then I’ve become much more skeptical. Apple is no less evil or different; okay, I take that back, they are slightly better but I’m no longer a fanboy. I don’t think the Apple of today, who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs and make it difficult / an…

> and make it difficult / annoying to bypass the Mac App Store I'm trying to avoid cherry picking, but this isn't my experience at all. I use a Mac for work and haven't really made any use of the app store. Nonetheless, I have all the apps I need and homebrew fills in the rest. Is there something I've unwittingly avoided?

No, there really isn't. There are apps that I've bought through the App Store, some of which I actually use at work, and I don't really see value in "avoiding" apps just because they're in the App Store. But most of what I use is outside it, and if an app is available both inside and outside -- as many are -- I usually get the direct sale one.

(While I shouldn't speak for the OP, I'm a little suspicious that this is the "Big Brother Apple is going to lock down macOS just like iOS" narrative popping up again.)

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by hu3 »

slezyr wrote: post #18

Do you realize that Apple isn't that popular outside of US and Apple can't kill anything with its actions?

You're not wrong. HN crowd is known for having a majorly US centric view.

The country where a teen can get bullied if their messages show up green on iMessage. [1]

[1] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150211/05455029985/green...

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by obscoth »

symlinkk wrote: post #52
birdyrooster wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In terms of pay, having compared offers before, one would be better of at Facebook than Google but tied with Apple. Apple has less perks but more monetary compensation to make up for it because their stock isn’t nearly the liability and Apple actually releases new products and services instead of sucking their existing property dry. Who would want to work at Facebook? There is literally nothing your company does wort…

Huh I don’t know. Maybe the $200k salary for entry level developers is exciting? Or maybe it’s the ability to work on a product that is a household name for billions of people?

Yeah it’s very exciting to work on the best ways to spread misinformation, incite division and ruin democracy. Or maybe they’re pulled in by the charismatic CEO-bot?

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by chrisseaton »

slezyr wrote: post #18

Do you realize that Apple isn't that popular outside of US and Apple can't kill anything with its actions?

There are Apple stores in 25 countries, and engineering locations in 14 countries.

People use all Apple all over the world. The iPhone is massively popular in all wealthy countries and the MacBook dominates amongst developers in almost all of them.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by underseacables »

juancn wrote: post #4

The idea of doing a public campaign over this is so myopic that I cannot fathom the thinking about it. Who’s going to rally for Facebook? Did they really expected Apple to change this? The ad should scare investors much more than Apple’s move.

I think when you consider Mark Zuckerberg’s view of you and I, and the world at large, it makes sense.

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1299158-fake-mark-zuckerberg...

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by ineedasername »

I can't imagine that even the less technical, typically less privacy concerned public, is going to have much sympathy for Facebook disliking Apple's move to put privacy controls in users hands. In fact considering the political bipartisan dislike for Facebook at the moment, I can't help but see this as outright counter productive.

A better PR move would have been to say "We are always seeking ways to put the reins of control withing users hands, and are happy to see that Apple has similar goals. At the same time we will educate users on the value of working with Facebook on the benefits heightened user experience when Facebook is able to generate custom content and tailored user experiences"

Lies and generalities sure, but at least it isn't shooting themselves in the foot.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by nrp »

amf12 wrote: post #36
birdyrooster wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can’t hire people with good ideas anymore because as we know money isn’t a great motivator (and besides, there are more ethical companies within 10 miles paying as much or more than Facebook). They can’t hire good people anymore because their mission is naive and their reputation precedes them.

> They can’t hire people with good ideas anymore because as we know money isn’t a great motivator This is not entirely true. I have seen excellent people go to Facebook because they gave out the highest offers. Now whether they get people with good ideas is something I don't know.

I spent five years golden handcuffed at Facebook and hired a large number of brilliant, driven people there. Most of them are still there because of the obscenely large sums of money Facebook pays to keep them there. Note that Facebook does not do counteroffers, and instead makes sure to keep the best people financially motivated to stay each year.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by afavour »

mjfern wrote: post #44
abhinav22 wrote: post #20

I was a big supporter of Apple for a long time and welcomed privacy focused initiatives when they first started making noise a while back. However since then I’ve become much more skeptical. Apple is no less evil or different; okay, I take that back, they are slightly better but I’m no longer a fanboy. I don’t think the Apple of today, who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs and make it difficult / an…

Privacy aligns with Apple’s revenue model (selling hardware) but not with Facebook’s (selling ads). This is the only reason you should have faith that Apple will work to protect your privacy, while Facebook will work to undermine it.

Everyone says that Apple’s business is selling hardware but that’s changing. Apple Music, Apple TV, iCloud storage and their commission on app sales are all clear software incentives. Yes, they’re still dominated by hardware sales but it’s obvious they are interested in diversifying.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by kthxbye123 »

mtgx wrote: post #17
birdyrooster wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can’t hire people with good ideas anymore because as we know money isn’t a great motivator (and besides, there are more ethical companies within 10 miles paying as much or more than Facebook). They can’t hire good people anymore because their mission is naive and their reputation precedes them.

Tell that to John Carmack, who apparently is quite fine with tainting his legacy and wasting his last few good work years working for Facebook of all companies. And to top it all off, they're going to ruin Oculus, too (where Carmack is working), going by the latest moves in that division.

He's only 50. How 'few good work years' do you think he has left?
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