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Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by felistoria »

sixothree wrote: post #448
aranelsurion wrote: post #115

I think most of the negative sentiment against Cyberpunk 2077 comes from three sources: 1) Some players expected this to be cyberpunk-themed RDR2/GTA5. It turns out it's nothing like that, it's more like a new Deus Ex game. 2) It just doesn't run on consoles. It's a very inferior experience, unless you're the type who can be happy with 2020 movies in .3gp format in your old Nokia phone. Having watched a video ( https…

You compared it to GTA V which came out at a (roughly) similar time in the XBox 360's life cycle. It ran incredibly well on those consoles. But I think we are at a different stage.

I was under the impression that dipping below 30 fps is considered unplayable by todays standards. GTA V would drop to 20 fps on the 360.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by sascha_sl »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #466
dawnerd wrote: post #159

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I’m over 10 hours in on pc and there’s more than just “some bugs”. This game is still in alpha. I don’t know why people are being so defensive. We were looking forward to a great game and were mislead. I’m personally just gonna hold off on playing anymore until they actually finish the game.

I think there are a few reactions that are reading differently to different people. 1) This game is not up to par. It's not as advertised, and for some of the most standardized systems (consoles), it doesn't even work. That's really bad on CDPR. False advertising is unacceptable to some. 2) This surprised nobody. Acting surprised is like being surprised you big mac doesn't look like the marketing materials. That's on…

Cyberpunk has bugs and omissions that are a lot more severe than a typical AAA game launch, and certainly more than a typical CDPR game launch. Witcher 2 was rough, but never this rough, and Witcher 3 was a large improvement.

I played Watch Dogs Legion the other day. They don't even come close to comparing in terms of quality. Legion has functional AI and maybe a glitch every 2-3 hours (but I've had zero of them be game breaking, they're mostly geometry of physics related). Cyberpunk has weird things happening around every corner, sometimes quest breaking, sometimes visually hilarious, always showing the lack of polish.

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Post by alasdair_ »

willis936 wrote: post #189
aranelsurion wrote: post #115

I think most of the negative sentiment against Cyberpunk 2077 comes from three sources: 1) Some players expected this to be cyberpunk-themed RDR2/GTA5. It turns out it's nothing like that, it's more like a new Deus Ex game. 2) It just doesn't run on consoles. It's a very inferior experience, unless you're the type who can be happy with 2020 movies in .3gp format in your old Nokia phone. Having watched a video ( https…

>it's more like a new Deus Ex game Only if you have never played a DX game before. It is a much lesser experience than any DX game, so that is a real sour point for players expecting, or at least familiar with, that. And the bugs are not a sideshow. I played 2 hours on PC and returned it. When I had mission markers coming and going completely unrelated to any quests I had started I said "enough". If the game is made…

I’ve finished every Deus Ex game and definitely think Cyberpunk is a spiritual successor to them.

Almost every obstacle in the game has multiple solutions - this was something deus ex really nailed.

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Post by alasdair_ »

BoorishBears wrote: post #421
farias0 wrote: post #400

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>it's more like a new Deus Ex game Yes, I'm pretty sure it's the opposite. I was expecting a cyberpunk New Vegas, but it seems more like a cyberpunk Fallout 4.

This was the exact line I used to describe it to a friend. I think Deus Ex signals the same thing, we were expecting a deep story driven game, instead it's a pretty shallow RPG and not a very well done action game, so what's left?

The story seems really good to me. Better than the story for all by the original deus ex.

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Post by prox »

jonwinstanley wrote: post #542
Barrin92 wrote: post #449

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>Some players expected this to be cyberpunk-themed RDR2/GTA5. It turns out it's nothing like that, it's more like a new Deus Ex game. I think we're living in different worlds or something. This game is exactly like a GTA game, and nothing like Deus Ex. It's an open world game (Deus Ex games are strictly linear with open level design , not narrative, something Warren Spector was extremely adamant about). It's got the…

Well, it tries to do this but is miles from being as open or as flexible as GTA games which came out ten years ago and to compare it to RDR2 is a joke. In Red Dead, all NPCs react to you being there and have almost believable reactions to you, whereas in Cyberpunk people walk straight into you or through you.

Even Skyrim NPCs (2011 game) sound a lot more immersive, the main characters are usually quest aware. Skyrim game started as bugfest too, and it still is one of the most popular games, thanks to modding.

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Post by prox »

khalilravanna wrote: post #521
farias0 wrote: post #400

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>it's more like a new Deus Ex game Yes, I'm pretty sure it's the opposite. I was expecting a cyberpunk New Vegas, but it seems more like a cyberpunk Fallout 4.

Fallout 4 is a great comparison point. It had the bones of something great but the soul was gone. No factions, no interesting NPCs or side quests, no lore. Just a big empty sandbox to shoot stuff in. This seems better than that at least in that the soul is a lot better. And it has cool lore and factions and NPCs. But where Fallout 4 had fun shooting and RPG mechanics this seems to have pretty poor shooting. Poor driv…

4) Add mods and let the users fix the game as with Skyrim.

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Post by BoorishBears »

krzyk wrote: post #485
BoorishBears wrote: post #349

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It's a common refrain for people who are enjoying the game to say anyone who isn't is trying to kill their fun... I'd actually agree with that if I hadn't just listed several detailed points. It's not like I'm just saying "the game is crap!" Ironically what I've noticed is people who are enjoying it go to great lengths to invalidate anyone who isn't...

> Ironically what I've noticed is people who are enjoying it go to great lengths to invalidate anyone who isn't... And the other way around also. Those that don't like the game try to ruin it for those that like it. BTW. Your whole previous comment pretty much has a "TL;DR the game is crap", not a single good point about a game.

I'm tempted to just leave a snarky "case in point!"... but really, anything specific would you like me to elaborate on?

This is all technically opinion, but I'll do my best to elaborate on factual instances of any and all complaints I made above; because I do really believe that anyone who's under the impression this is "just some bugs" and about to spend hard earned money on the game deserves to know what they're in for.

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Post by prox »

SPBS wrote: post #228
dawnerd wrote: post #159

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I’m over 10 hours in on pc and there’s more than just “some bugs”. This game is still in alpha. I don’t know why people are being so defensive. We were looking forward to a great game and were mislead. I’m personally just gonna hold off on playing anymore until they actually finish the game.

> We were looking forward to a great game and were mislead. Did anyone think it would come out polished? The repeated delays were already hinting that the CDPR was in trouble and couldn't cope with the workload. When they finally committed to a deadline to release in December, it seemed more out of desperation to appease the impatient public than an indication that they were nearly done with finishing the game. So th…

The problem is you only get to make a an impression once (as Sovietwomble on Twitch often points out)

They have to fix the game, in 3 months they have to discount the game already, and if they are really unlucky the game is forgotten this time next year.

If they had nailed it, they would be sitting on literal gold, also for their next launch.

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Post by Kiro »

ianleeclark wrote: post #532
Kiro wrote: post #524

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What's the difference between Fallout 4 and New Vegas? I thought New Vegas was just an expansion.

New Vegas was a standalone game with expansions of its own. Fallout 4 came after it. A lot of people consider New Vegas to be the only good one to come after the first 2, but I can't commentate on that, as I stopped playing the fallout series after New Vegas and attempting to play Fallout 3.

I love FO 1 and 2 but was never interested in FO3 and even less in FO4. Would you recommend just playing New Vegas?

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Post by stale2002 »

linkdd wrote: post #529
stale2002 wrote: post #496

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If a company does bad things, then consumers have a right to attack that company for it. Instead, I find it extremely "entitled" for someone to think that a company should be immune from criticism. > Why would you whine about your game? Well, one reason to do that, is to cause financial damage to the company, in order to punish them for their behavior.

I wasn't defending CDPR in any way. Just stating that the whining is becoming needlessly loud. If 3/4 of your players ask for refund, I see that as a clear critic that your game has a big problem. Almost a new thread on the same subject every 2h: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

> If 3/4 of your players ask for refund, I see that as a clear critic that your game has a big problem.

Ok, and having more criticisms through public outrage, further helps hurt the company financially. Thats the point.

Doing even more things, hurts the company even more.

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